Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-30-2012 | 12:38 PM
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04-30-2012 | 12:42 PM
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OK, I am going to kill this. Asked the Reps, 100% total BS propaganda. Company has not even asked for 90 seaters. Nor 100 seaters.
04-30-2012 | 12:42 PM
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We shall see. Some of this sounds like a trial balloon. They know that we will not give up 90 seat jets. If we are that dumb, we get what we deserve. Period.
Also the timeline jives with the Regular MEC Meeting that is scheduled for around that time frame. Many suspect that we will see a TA just before or just after the MEC meeting(after if more direction is needed)
They ask for 90 seaters, it makes many grateful that we are only allowing the 70 seaters to stay(102 jets) and cutting totally allowable 76 seaters though the total number on property will increase. (based on my hypothesis a few days ago that I posted here)
Also the timeline jives with the Regular MEC Meeting that is scheduled for around that time frame. Many suspect that we will see a TA just before or just after the MEC meeting(after if more direction is needed)
They ask for 90 seaters, it makes many grateful that we are only allowing the 70 seaters to stay(102 jets) and cutting totally allowable 76 seaters though the total number on property will increase. (based on my hypothesis a few days ago that I posted here)
Shirley they can't be serious.
04-30-2012 | 12:44 PM
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Long time lurker/occasional poster, but I can't not share this one. Let me say right up front that this is 3rd hand so please don't shoot the messenger!
OK, here goes:
Jumpseater with us today claims to have ties to a CPO and was told by his buddy in the CPO that we should see a TA on 18 May. Supposedly the MEC will see it on the 15th, and to us on the 18th. Details include 20% increase to the rates with "COLA" type increases per year later. 717s are in the deal and supposedly via a lease from Boeing after turn in from SWA. SWA pays some penalties etc but we get "new" leases from Boeing. Company will offer 500 early outs, and hiring will begin quickly. 50 seaters reduced to around 125 total. Now for the bad news: Supposedly company wants 90 seaters with some type of production balance. Also they want increased Code share with Alaska. The reason he claims the company wants a deal done quickly has to do with the loan for the refinery.
Again, please don't shoot the messenger. There is no way I can confirm any of this...it is just the rumor I heard today with a lot of details and a firm date (supposedly). I guess we will know soon.
Ready for incoming...Philly
OK, here goes:
Jumpseater with us today claims to have ties to a CPO and was told by his buddy in the CPO that we should see a TA on 18 May. Supposedly the MEC will see it on the 15th, and to us on the 18th. Details include 20% increase to the rates with "COLA" type increases per year later. 717s are in the deal and supposedly via a lease from Boeing after turn in from SWA. SWA pays some penalties etc but we get "new" leases from Boeing. Company will offer 500 early outs, and hiring will begin quickly. 50 seaters reduced to around 125 total. Now for the bad news: Supposedly company wants 90 seaters with some type of production balance. Also they want increased Code share with Alaska. The reason he claims the company wants a deal done quickly has to do with the loan for the refinery.
Again, please don't shoot the messenger. There is no way I can confirm any of this...it is just the rumor I heard today with a lot of details and a firm date (supposedly). I guess we will know soon.
Ready for incoming...Philly
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04-30-2012 | 12:45 PM
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No idea, but that is kind of what I got out of Tim's letter. Production balance the 76 seat jets, 70 seaters are going the way of the 50 seaters. Just my guess. Read my post a few days go.
I suspect that DCI will shrink significantly even with this scheme. Just me piecing together all of the stuff guys are saying. Like I said, just a guess, nothing concrete.
*Also I do not seeing anyone; Reps or pilots, allowing 102 vacancies for 76 seat jets. The number would have to be seriously pulled down. Again just a little guessing Gloopy.
04-30-2012 | 12:47 PM
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I'm tired of showing a color wheel to blind people and asking them what I should use in my man cave... DAL will continue to downgage, and we will see our payroll decrease because super premium flying is da bomb.......
04-30-2012 | 12:48 PM
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Its very relevant. We are supposed to get all wrapped around the axel over the differences in hourly pay rates between our pay grades while SWA's pay grade for a small narrowbody is as high as our highest one. Once we fix that, we can then complain in earnest about the fairness of the differences in our rates.
04-30-2012 | 12:54 PM
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IOW have the reps you talked to said that the company has not asked for more CRJ900's, CRJ905's, EMB175's, Suhkoi, Mutsubishi, C Serier or anything else that can carry 76+? Or just that they aren't asking (yet) for something to actually carry 90 passengers?
04-30-2012 | 12:59 PM
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I thought you said it above, and I think you were right: the 76 seater is a 90-seater. With two classes of service instead of one.
If you re-read Philly's rumor above, it's almost exactly what we've been discussing for days, with a % and two dates added. Yet you guys are discussing it as if it were somethin earth-shattering. Am I missing something, or are you guys missing your panties?
If you re-read Philly's rumor above, it's almost exactly what we've been discussing for days, with a % and two dates added. Yet you guys are discussing it as if it were somethin earth-shattering. Am I missing something, or are you guys missing your panties?
04-30-2012 | 01:00 PM
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Just in the spirit of due dilligence, when you say "90 seater" do you mean 90 allowed seats or 76 seater that's really a 90 seater cause we already have 153 of those (DC-9-10 replacement jets) presently outsourced.
IOW have the reps you talked to said that the company has not asked for more CRJ900's, CRJ905's, EMB175's, Suhkoi, Mutsubishi, C Serier or anything else that can carry 76+? Or just that they aren't asking (yet) for something to actually carry 90 passengers?
IOW have the reps you talked to said that the company has not asked for more CRJ900's, CRJ905's, EMB175's, Suhkoi, Mutsubishi, C Serier or anything else that can carry 76+? Or just that they aren't asking (yet) for something to actually carry 90 passengers?
As I understand the response from my reps:
The company has not asked to operate airframes with 90 seats. I am sure they have asked for more 76 seat jets, but I did not confirm that, just my suspicion.
As for the C-series or anything over 84K. I am not sure the MEC would play ball on any of those airframes. Again, just my assumption after a ton of discussions.
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