Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-07-2012, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
do you honestly think DALPA will negotiate for SWA payrates?
The opener stated industry leading. I take that to be at or above SWA rates in short order
05-07-2012, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
You have to conclude that "time off" has dropped sharply in the list of things that pilots value.
It would seem that people no longer accept the concept of creating more jobs and advancement by limiting the hours of the existing workers.
I am surprised to hear so much support for working longer hours.
There have always been the 100 hour month guys in our pilot group but I hadn't realized just how widespread that attitude had become.
We're going to a minimum staffing and maximum productivity model and it apparently has the blessing of DALPA and a majority of pilots.
We are going to run this airline with fewer guys.
Big mistake in my opinion. It will shorten our lives. But I guess I'm outvoted.
It would seem that people no longer accept the concept of creating more jobs and advancement by limiting the hours of the existing workers.
I am surprised to hear so much support for working longer hours.
There have always been the 100 hour month guys in our pilot group but I hadn't realized just how widespread that attitude had become.
We're going to a minimum staffing and maximum productivity model and it apparently has the blessing of DALPA and a majority of pilots.
We are going to run this airline with fewer guys.
Big mistake in my opinion. It will shorten our lives. But I guess I'm outvoted.
05-07-2012, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
You have to conclude that "time off" has dropped sharply in the list of things that pilots value.
It would seem that people no longer accept the concept of creating more jobs and advancement by limiting the hours of the existing workers.
I am surprised to hear so much support for working longer hours.
There have always been the 100 hour month guys in our pilot group but I hadn't realized just how widespread that attitude had become.
We're going to a minimum staffing and maximum productivity model and it apparently has the blessing of DALPA and a majority of pilots.
We are going to run this airline with fewer guys.
Big mistake in my opinion. It will shorten our lives. But I guess I'm outvoted.
It would seem that people no longer accept the concept of creating more jobs and advancement by limiting the hours of the existing workers.
I am surprised to hear so much support for working longer hours.
There have always been the 100 hour month guys in our pilot group but I hadn't realized just how widespread that attitude had become.
We're going to a minimum staffing and maximum productivity model and it apparently has the blessing of DALPA and a majority of pilots.
We are going to run this airline with fewer guys.
Big mistake in my opinion. It will shorten our lives. But I guess I'm outvoted.
Check;
I would not say that. QOL and home time are very important to me. I want to see my kids grow up, not just bankroll them. Anything that sharply reduces my time at home is not something I will be fond of.
I want to see the rest of the deal. There are more and more dots connecting for me as to what DAL may be up to. These type of productivity increases make me wonder how much DAL's block hrs are going to be growing.
05-07-2012, 11:28 AM
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...but if you ask for a rise, it's no surprise that they're giving money away...
05-07-2012, 11:32 AM
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Does anyone think so much detail was released in order to rally the troops, stir us up for more leverage in the scope/pay negotiations? Just trying to see the angle. Maybe they realize they are getting their a$$es handed to them and need the company to see a TA will get shot down unless the pot is severely sweetened.
OTOH, I find it hard to believe this is being negotiated in a vacuum, irrespective of scope/pay. These are large concessions, imo. Why would we give anything at this point unless we were close to an end game on the most expensive parts of the contract. I think they are close on scope/pay or at a minimum are within a range in those areas to already put down concessions in the negotiators notepad.
OTOH, I find it hard to believe this is being negotiated in a vacuum, irrespective of scope/pay. These are large concessions, imo. Why would we give anything at this point unless we were close to an end game on the most expensive parts of the contract. I think they are close on scope/pay or at a minimum are within a range in those areas to already put down concessions in the negotiators notepad.
05-07-2012, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Check;
I would not say that. QOL and home time are very important to me. I want to see my kids grow up, not just bankroll them. Anything that sharply reduces my time at home is not something I will be fond of.
I want to see the rest of the deal. There are more and more dots connecting for me as to what DAL may be up to. These type of productivity increases make me wonder how much DAL's block hrs are going to be growing.
I would not say that. QOL and home time are very important to me. I want to see my kids grow up, not just bankroll them. Anything that sharply reduces my time at home is not something I will be fond of.
I want to see the rest of the deal. There are more and more dots connecting for me as to what DAL may be up to. These type of productivity increases make me wonder how much DAL's block hrs are going to be growing.
05-07-2012, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
Does anyone think so much detail was released in order to rally the troops, stir us up for more leverage in the scope/pay negotiations? Just trying to see the angle. Maybe they realize they are getting their a$$es handed to them and need the company to see a TA will get shot down unless the pot is severely sweetened.
OTOH, I find it hard to believe this is being negotiated in a vacuum, irrespective of scope/pay. These are large concessions, imo. Why would we give anything at this point unless we were close to an end game on the most expensive parts of the contract. I think they are close on scope/pay or at a minimum are within a range in those areas to already put down concessions in the negotiators notepad.
OTOH, I find it hard to believe this is being negotiated in a vacuum, irrespective of scope/pay. These are large concessions, imo. Why would we give anything at this point unless we were close to an end game on the most expensive parts of the contract. I think they are close on scope/pay or at a minimum are within a range in those areas to already put down concessions in the negotiators notepad.
05-07-2012, 11:44 AM
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I think DALPA made a mistake releasing the information. As you can see, you have guys ready to vote on something after 1 day of partial information. Then again, maybe it is your chance to provide feedback to your reps. I emailed mine on Saturday and they all responded within an hour.
05-07-2012, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
I think DALPA made a mistake releasing the information. As you can see, you have guys ready to vote on something after 1 day of partial information. Then again, maybe it is your chance to provide feedback to your reps. I emailed mine on Saturday and they all responded within an hour.
It is also a way to make our productivity look very good in SLI negotiations. (Not saying we need it, just saying that there are many ways to look at this, and without the entire picture, drawing a final comprehensive conclusion is a disservice to you, your family, and your fellow pilots)
I talked to a Rep, and in the course of me mentioning the negativity on this board, he cautioned people to wait for the whole picture. Great advice.
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05-07-2012, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
...but if you ask for a rise, it's no surprise that they're giving none away...
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