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Old 05-09-2012 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
the apcf secret handshake as demonstrated by young 80ktsclamping:



serious, refined, professional.
My son did that at a wedding when he was four. He needed and of course used both hands. Made daddy proud.
Old 05-09-2012 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
. Does anyone really think this person is a pilot?
I'm starting to wonder. I'm looking forward to his rebuttal. If he is a Mesaba pilot than his level of ignorance isn't the norm there. It's a pretty solid pilot group.
Old 05-09-2012 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
My son did that at a wedding when he was four. He needed and of course used both hands. Made daddy proud.
It takes two hands to handle a whopper.
Old 05-09-2012 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm truly amazed at the statement you just made.

Scope is section 1 of any pilot contract.
A contract item as defined by the NMB, is pay, work rules, filing of vacancies etc. Scope is not one of them, it's simply who is to be covered by that agreement. You can't strike over 76 jet flying at DCI, once you give it up, it's gone. The only way to put it back is to get management to volunteer it back. How do you plan to do that? Voting NO repeatedly on a contract isn't going to do that.
Old 05-09-2012 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
A contract item as defined by the NMB, is pay, work rules, filing of vacancies etc. Scope is not one of them, it's simply who is to be covered by that agreement. You can't strike over 76 jet flying at DCI, once you give it up, it's gone. The only way to put it back is to get management to volunteer it back. How do you plan to do that? Voting NO repeatedly on a contract isn't going to do that.
LOL And he says we don't get it. Classic!
Old 05-09-2012 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
Did any of it change your mind?

I'm waiting just because I want to see it all rolled together. Doesn't mean I'm a yes vote, but I would like to see it all together.
No, their responses didn't change my mind, and in fact I didn't get the impression they agreed that the reserve rules in the NNP were concessionary or would result in fewer pilots. However, I did give them another datapoint for their consideration on representing their constituency, and did tell them I'd absolutely vote "no" if a single 76 seater was increased, no matter what the pay increase was. But, at least they read my email and replied quickly, personally, at length, and not via a form reply. As far as feeling "represented" by my LEC, I actually felt pretty good with the responsiveness. Better than I do with my tenants...
Old 05-09-2012 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
. Does anyone really think this person is a pilot?
He is a pilot. Read his post history and you will understand where he is coming from.
Old 05-09-2012 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
No, their responses didn't change my mind, and in fact I didn't get the impression they agreed that the reserve rules in the NNP were concessionary or would result in fewer pilots. However, I did give them another datapoint for their consideration on representing their constituency, and did tell them I'd absolutely vote "no" if a single 76 seater was increased, no matter what the pay increase was. But, at least they read my email and replied quickly, personally, at length, and not via a form reply. As far as feeling "represented" by my LEC, I actually felt pretty good with the responsiveness. Better than I do with my tenants...
But wait, according to Mesabah, section 1 isn't a contract item and we have no say in the matter in scope when it comes to our upcoming contract. If you don't believe me just ask Mesabah and he will explain how it works
Old 05-09-2012 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
LOL And he says we don't get it. Classic!
Before you discount what he is saying, you should look into it.
Old 05-09-2012 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Before you discount what he is saying, you should look into it.
Scambo, I looked into it and I'll be darned if when I grabbed my contract off the book shelf there it was right in the front of the PWA, Section 1. As far as whether or not we can strike over scope I don't buy his claim that we can't. Don't tell me you believe that DAL could force DCI 100 seaters into section 1without our pilot group having any recourse? I don't buy that for a minute and I think the NMB would be in our corner if it came to striking over it. Prove me wrong but in the mean time I maintain that Mesabah has no clue what he is talking about.
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