Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-17-2012, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
While we're all waiting, here are some interesting facts to mull over...
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SWAPA has officially stated that their average Captain makes over $230,000/year. They go on to say that their average pilot gets 105 TFP/month. The current 12 year Captain rate at SWA is $186.06. So, at 105 TFP/month, that translates into an annual income of $234,436, which is consistent with their statement of "over $230,000."
They get a 9.3% company match for their 401k. So, they have to contribute 9.3% in order to get the match of 9.3%. Of course, this is still money that is paid to them. But they cannot use it for living expenses if they want to get the benefit of the 9.3% company contribution. So you could look at it that their average Captain pay is $212,634 (before taxes of course) and they are getting an 18.6% DC contribution.
There is also profit sharing, which for the past 5 years has averaged 8% at SWA. As I understand it, their profit sharing goes into their 401k too.
So, total compensation for the SWA Captain (including DC and profit sharing) = $234,436 + $21,803 (company match) + $18,755 (profit sharing) for a grand total of $274,994.
Assuming our average MD-88 Captain flies 80 hours per month at the current 12 year rate of $168, that translates into an annual income of $161,280. Add in the 14% DC contribution of $22,579 and the profit sharing he got for last year of about $7500 for a grand total of $191,359.
For our MD-88 Captain to have total compensation equal to an SWA Captain, he would need $83,635 more, which would be a percentage increase of ~44%.
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Oh... and Section 1 (scope) must take very positive steps to reverse the outsourcing. Read my lips: NO NEW RJ's!
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SWAPA has officially stated that their average Captain makes over $230,000/year. They go on to say that their average pilot gets 105 TFP/month. The current 12 year Captain rate at SWA is $186.06. So, at 105 TFP/month, that translates into an annual income of $234,436, which is consistent with their statement of "over $230,000."
They get a 9.3% company match for their 401k. So, they have to contribute 9.3% in order to get the match of 9.3%. Of course, this is still money that is paid to them. But they cannot use it for living expenses if they want to get the benefit of the 9.3% company contribution. So you could look at it that their average Captain pay is $212,634 (before taxes of course) and they are getting an 18.6% DC contribution.
There is also profit sharing, which for the past 5 years has averaged 8% at SWA. As I understand it, their profit sharing goes into their 401k too.
So, total compensation for the SWA Captain (including DC and profit sharing) = $234,436 + $21,803 (company match) + $18,755 (profit sharing) for a grand total of $274,994.
Assuming our average MD-88 Captain flies 80 hours per month at the current 12 year rate of $168, that translates into an annual income of $161,280. Add in the 14% DC contribution of $22,579 and the profit sharing he got for last year of about $7500 for a grand total of $191,359.
For our MD-88 Captain to have total compensation equal to an SWA Captain, he would need $83,635 more, which would be a percentage increase of ~44%.
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Oh... and Section 1 (scope) must take very positive steps to reverse the outsourcing. Read my lips: NO NEW RJ's!
05-17-2012, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Blue,
These numbers often represent capacity of the Delta "system" which includes DCI and possibly even some JV (not really sure about JVs). So DCI can be getting reduced more and mainline less etc.
As far as the 717s, even if we are getting them, which is still not known, they would trickle in slowly and probably wouldn't be online in any great number until next summer at the earliest anyway.
And relax Gloopy - if we do get the 717s, they will be sans Pilots.
Scoop
These numbers often represent capacity of the Delta "system" which includes DCI and possibly even some JV (not really sure about JVs). So DCI can be getting reduced more and mainline less etc.
As far as the 717s, even if we are getting them, which is still not known, they would trickle in slowly and probably wouldn't be online in any great number until next summer at the earliest anyway.
And relax Gloopy - if we do get the 717s, they will be sans Pilots.
Scoop
05-17-2012, 06:52 PM
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Hey, go easy on Fifi 
05-17-2012, 06:57 PM
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I thought this thread might be a record in the net for most posts so I googled it. Not even close, one has over half a million posts. Oh well.
05-17-2012, 07:04 PM
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Scope
Felt his should be copied here too.........Amen
"Been swamped lately, but I just wanted one last shot at emphasizing the importance of scope. I had a teleconference yesterday with attorneys from a multi-disciplined firm on another topic. After the call, I asked one who was versed in labor law why it was that courts keep deciding that unions do NOT have the right to strike over an attempt to regain losses in the scope of their work. The answer was sickeningly simple. She said that once a union voluntarily gives up areas of the work they will perform for the company; those jobs are no longer their jobs. From that point forward they are another person’s job, and as such, you cannot use the bludgeon of a strike to mandate the “stealing” of another person’s job.
If we end up not liking any sections outside of scope, we can always force a job action to fix it if management refuses to budge. If we end up not liking scope, there’s NOTHING we can do about it unless management decides to give it up voluntarily. When this TA comes out and allows more 76 seat jets to be flown by non-Delta pilots, understand that a YES vote from you means you’re not only giving Delta jobs away to other companies, but you are relinquishing your right to EVER retrieve them again. DALPA should be warning everyone of this wrinkle in labor law, but they apparently cannot do so without incurring the worry of a DFR suit.
Scope is different. Scope is not like anything else in our contract. If we send this back to the Negotiating Committee with a note saying that we’re fine with everything except you must remove ANY concessions in section 1, it would put the company in a hell of a position. If they say NO, they will have unmasked themselves as to their real plan. If they say YES, then the pilots of Delta Air Lines will have set the new industry benchmark for the end of voluntarily giving more of our jobs to another company and losing them permanently.
Think hard ladies and gentlemen. Think really hard."
Carl
"Been swamped lately, but I just wanted one last shot at emphasizing the importance of scope. I had a teleconference yesterday with attorneys from a multi-disciplined firm on another topic. After the call, I asked one who was versed in labor law why it was that courts keep deciding that unions do NOT have the right to strike over an attempt to regain losses in the scope of their work. The answer was sickeningly simple. She said that once a union voluntarily gives up areas of the work they will perform for the company; those jobs are no longer their jobs. From that point forward they are another person’s job, and as such, you cannot use the bludgeon of a strike to mandate the “stealing” of another person’s job.
If we end up not liking any sections outside of scope, we can always force a job action to fix it if management refuses to budge. If we end up not liking scope, there’s NOTHING we can do about it unless management decides to give it up voluntarily. When this TA comes out and allows more 76 seat jets to be flown by non-Delta pilots, understand that a YES vote from you means you’re not only giving Delta jobs away to other companies, but you are relinquishing your right to EVER retrieve them again. DALPA should be warning everyone of this wrinkle in labor law, but they apparently cannot do so without incurring the worry of a DFR suit.
Scope is different. Scope is not like anything else in our contract. If we send this back to the Negotiating Committee with a note saying that we’re fine with everything except you must remove ANY concessions in section 1, it would put the company in a hell of a position. If they say NO, they will have unmasked themselves as to their real plan. If they say YES, then the pilots of Delta Air Lines will have set the new industry benchmark for the end of voluntarily giving more of our jobs to another company and losing them permanently.
Think hard ladies and gentlemen. Think really hard."
Carl
05-17-2012, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
I believe there are another 2 for sale, one if not both from ConnacoPhillips. One is in Marcus Hook, Pa
05-17-2012, 07:07 PM
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Just noticed the "Automated Manuals & Bulletins" tab. Interesting that it says "Note: At this point, only Apple iPads are supported."
When they gonna dole these things out?
Maybe that's our signing bonus...LOL
Baja.
When they gonna dole these things out?
Maybe that's our signing bonus...LOL
Baja.
05-17-2012, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
I thought this thread might be a record in the net for most posts so I googled it. Not even close, one has over half a million posts. Oh well.
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