FlyZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy:
"I am completely confident DALPA will not open the door further, and perhaps may even close it a bit."


Slowplay,
You posted this back in July last year, as many of us were trying to make the DPA/ALPA decision. Do you still have the same confidence that scope is not for sale?

Pineapple Guy,
Do you still have complete confidence that DALPA isn't about to release a TA with relaxation in ANY area of scope?

V/R,
FlyZ

Jack Bauer

But earlier leaks indicate we are selling work rules (giving the company more productivity which equals the need for less pilots going forward) for more pay. As you know, pay comes and goes, work rules rarely come back. Are you OK with worsening work rules as part of the package?

DeadHead

Was wondering the EXACT same thing

Thought we would compromise ourselves by divulging the survey results.

Sailing,
Not sure how you you came across this information, and why you would disclose it now?

Pro Fessional

You should probably go with it.

newKnow

I don't have time to put my detectives hat on, but sailings post is very suspect.

Jack Bauer

Seems to indicate they dicked it up again. Or they decided to time this leak that the pilot group supposedly asked for under 30% right before the numbers are out to.....wait for it...........manage expectations once again.

I agree though, he is basically going against what was said would be done. In essence using the "secret survey numbers" to lower expectations instead of letting us all see them early on which could have empowered us. ALPA loves to keep us in the dark, and make decisions for us. History repeats itself.

Lets at least hope some of the top ALPA guys manage to constructively engage themselves into better positions....politics, airline management consulting or management positions are waiting. Screw the rest of yall.

buzzpat

Whoops! You just got schooled PG! No Internet access?

tsquare

That right there is funny^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I wish we had better emoticons on this board.. these are boring.

johnso29

What "leaks" have indicated we are selling work rules?

LeineLodge

The point I keep trying to make is: it depends.

Maybe.

I'll use another extreme example, but let's say they can work all reserves to 99 hours every month. In return for this abuse, we bring ALL outsourced flying home and get a 50% payraise.

Is the above a win for the pilot group as a whole? It depends. Bringing all flying in house would probably have enough of a net positive for guys to consider it a great success. Ice the cake with a little $ and now we're talking.

My example is ridiculous, but the point is: we all need to see the WHOLE deal before we start choosing what isn't acceptable.

We've all established many times that we have a price to be bought. Heck, for 100 Billion Dollars I'll have an RJ tattooed on my forehead. I absolutely have a price to outsource more of our jobs. Fortunately I'm 100% positive that management cannot afford to buy me off, let alone 11,999 of my fellow Delta pilots.

Serenity now. It appears that we'll have some better info to go on sooner than later.