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06-27-2012, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
BTW: What do you guys want to talk about after this thing passes? Just wondering. 
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06-27-2012, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
A NC that was SERIOUS about holding the line or improving scope (and empowered by the MEC to do so) would have simply walked out the first day when the 82 seaters were mentioned, and simply said "call us when you want to talk".
Instead it was left on the table, giving credibility to the company's postion.
You have ask yourself "why?".
Nu
Instead it was left on the table, giving credibility to the company's postion.
You have ask yourself "why?".
Nu
06-27-2012, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
In the AF, I was a Gazinia brother and had a squadron full of similarly immature brothers:
Roscoe, Tip, Pud, Dick, etc.
You're bet sounds like we're getting a divorce...I don't like the concept of finding a woman I hate and then buying her a house.
Finis;
With you I'm a-ok with agreeing to disagree.
Roscoe, Tip, Pud, Dick, etc.
You're bet sounds like we're getting a divorce...I don't like the concept of finding a woman I hate and then buying her a house.
Finis;
With you I'm a-ok with agreeing to disagree.
06-27-2012, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Scambo, I am a-ok with it also, when people vote against the TA because they don't think it's good enough that's great, democracy in action. I do have a problem with agenda voters because a rejected TA does open up a window of opportunity for a group of wannabes.
06-27-2012, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
Finis can you elaborate on that please? Not sure where you are going with this. Thanks Waves
Most of the no voters on this board really believe this TA is not enough, however there are a few that only care about a power change. Done elaborating.
06-27-2012, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
Damn Carl, You've been flying with the airlines since the 70's? I was still in high school. You must have gotten hired in your teens. No wonder your a 744 Captain. Good on ya. Man I should have skipped the military and gone civilian. I'd be an A-380 Captain soon. We're getting those with this TA right? Oh, not A-380's, 380 more 76 seaters. I got it now.
Man I should have skipped the military and gone civilian. I'd be an A-380 Captain soon. We're getting those with this TA right? Oh, not A-380's, 380 more 76 seaters. I got it now.
06-27-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Lol. There are a lot of us that weren't even born until the 80's.
Carl - apparently old as dirt.
06-27-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Oh great. I feel so much better now.
Carl - apparently old as dirt.
Carl - apparently old as dirt.
06-27-2012, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Waves, If this TA is turned down do you think the negotiators or MEC will stay around ? Do you think DL will come right back to the table ( I don't,"talk to you in January") ? In the ensuing 3 years without a contract do you see a happy pilot group ? or do you see growing disunity ?. On the other hand if it passes and ALPA is right and there is hiring and growth do you agree that the drive to replace ALPA will wither on the vine ?
Most of the no voters on this board really believe this TA is not enough, however there are a few that only care about a power change. Done elaborating.
Most of the no voters on this board really believe this TA is not enough, however there are a few that only care about a power change. Done elaborating.
Now if what we are being told is even half way correct, if the TA is downed, the window of opportunity for some of these deals for the company will expire. We line guys have no clue if they are true. We can only speculate. If they are true and the deals expire as advertised, as far as I can determine, the company would have no impetus to promptly return to the table. If they don’t see a positive gain from negotiating early, why would they even consider it? RJ deal a bust, 717’s gone, pilots asking for better everything. Management: “Hey lets drag this thing out until we have a better position.” I actually envision us without a contract for several years. If there isn’t a carrot for Management, why would they go there? Just look around. Management can drag this crap out for years if they want to. If the TA is downed and management drags this thing out for years, I will be all over the no voters like ugly on an ape. For some reason, guys on this thread seem to think, even though they have been told the complete opposite, the company will just jump right back with a counter offer much better than what this TA offers. Maybe they are right, but I’m not seeing it from my seat. Attack or eat crow. I will be willing to accept both. Are the no voters willing to do that?
I totally understand those trying to branch out and dump ALPA for our own personal union; however, we have been here before back in the early nineties and it JUST AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN. It’s a pipe dream. I think the drive to replace ALPA is dead before it gets started, albeit, I do certainly understand the push.
I haven’t been reading every single post in detail, but I haven’t really seen anyone specifically talking about the ALPA replacement issue. I think even the no voters think this thing will pass. I for one appreciate their honest assessments of the TA, but I also despise some of the intentionally misleading posts. There are plenty of those and there are plenty of single issue no voters as well.
Post getting too long. Stop!
06-27-2012, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Oh great. I feel so much better now.
Carl - apparently old as dirt.
Carl - apparently old as dirt.
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