Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-21-2012, 11:19 AM
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IMHO the TA works better if Delta has capacity growth. In a continued period of capacity reduction (which it looks like we are entering, again) we may be better off with current DCI limitations.
The decision on how to vote will come down to the wire for me. I'll be very interested to see what the Judge does with American tomorrow.
The decision on how to vote will come down to the wire for me. I'll be very interested to see what the Judge does with American tomorrow.
As was pointed out above, mostly by the "yes" side of the house, the company has a WIDE pool of people who do this analysis for a living, and are very good at it.
It could be that our side was just half a step behind the analysis curve, and were OK with the TA using the data they have...one that showed growth, high HVC and other good yielding loads, and high fuel prices...a set of circumstances that may provide a reasonable rational for the TA being acceptable.
OTOH, if the economy turns as you describe, the current book may be preferable, at least from a work rule and scope aspect.
If the company saw the trend of the economy favoriting the TA, in their perspective, that could be the reason while they were in such a rush to get it done...before the trends became apparent to someone who didn't have immediate or real time access to the trend information.
The questions are:
1) Why wasn't a TA negotiated that had sufficient SHORT TERM BACKSTOPS?
2) If the economy is deflating, and the TA is a worse situation from staffing and scope, is it too late to hop off the train?
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06-21-2012, 11:22 AM
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06-21-2012, 11:25 AM
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The more important question is "why is oil dropping"?
The answer appears to be declining demand, particularly in Europe and if you monitor auto sales as a determinant of oil demand, China's rate of growth is decreasing too. US oil consumption peaked some years ago and has been coming down.
While some of this is good, the "less demand" aspect is troubling for airlines in as much as decreasing energy consumption has a lot to do with people deciding not to travel as much. Delta keeps announcing capacity reductions, which reduces our demand, both for fuel and pilots.
I'm not sure if we are better off with this TA in a continued capacity reduction. Clearly the CRJ900 is the desired airplane for the reduced capacity mainline mission. As others have stated, the B717 makes a good MD88 / A320 replacement, which does nothing to help those pilots who are getting displaced.
IMHO the TA works better if Delta has capacity growth. In a continued period of capacity reduction (which it looks like we are entering, again) we may be better off with current DCI limitations.
The decision on how to vote will come down to the wire for me. I'll be very interested to see what the Judge does with American tomorrow.
The answer appears to be declining demand, particularly in Europe and if you monitor auto sales as a determinant of oil demand, China's rate of growth is decreasing too. US oil consumption peaked some years ago and has been coming down.
While some of this is good, the "less demand" aspect is troubling for airlines in as much as decreasing energy consumption has a lot to do with people deciding not to travel as much. Delta keeps announcing capacity reductions, which reduces our demand, both for fuel and pilots.
I'm not sure if we are better off with this TA in a continued capacity reduction. Clearly the CRJ900 is the desired airplane for the reduced capacity mainline mission. As others have stated, the B717 makes a good MD88 / A320 replacement, which does nothing to help those pilots who are getting displaced.
IMHO the TA works better if Delta has capacity growth. In a continued period of capacity reduction (which it looks like we are entering, again) we may be better off with current DCI limitations.
The decision on how to vote will come down to the wire for me. I'll be very interested to see what the Judge does with American tomorrow.
06-21-2012, 11:27 AM
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The more important question is "why is oil dropping"?
The answer appears to be declining demand, particularly in Europe and if you monitor auto sales as a determinant of oil demand, China's rate of growth is decreasing too. US oil consumption peaked some years ago and has been coming down.
While some of this is good, the "less demand" aspect is troubling for airlines in as much as decreasing energy consumption has a lot to do with people deciding not to travel as much. Delta keeps announcing capacity reductions, which reduces our demand, both for fuel and pilots.
I'm not sure if we are better off with this TA in a continued capacity reduction. Clearly the CRJ900 is the desired airplane for the reduced capacity mainline mission. As others have stated, the B717 makes a good MD88 / A320 replacement, which does nothing to help those pilots who are getting displaced.
IMHO the TA works better if Delta has capacity growth. In a continued period of capacity reduction (which it looks like we are entering, again) we may be better off with current DCI limitations.
The decision on how to vote will come down to the wire for me. I'll be very interested to see what the Judge does with American tomorrow.
The answer appears to be declining demand, particularly in Europe and if you monitor auto sales as a determinant of oil demand, China's rate of growth is decreasing too. US oil consumption peaked some years ago and has been coming down.
While some of this is good, the "less demand" aspect is troubling for airlines in as much as decreasing energy consumption has a lot to do with people deciding not to travel as much. Delta keeps announcing capacity reductions, which reduces our demand, both for fuel and pilots.
I'm not sure if we are better off with this TA in a continued capacity reduction. Clearly the CRJ900 is the desired airplane for the reduced capacity mainline mission. As others have stated, the B717 makes a good MD88 / A320 replacement, which does nothing to help those pilots who are getting displaced.
IMHO the TA works better if Delta has capacity growth. In a continued period of capacity reduction (which it looks like we are entering, again) we may be better off with current DCI limitations.
The decision on how to vote will come down to the wire for me. I'll be very interested to see what the Judge does with American tomorrow.
Moving MD90 pilots to the 717 coupled with 767/757 pilots to the 739, that has to be some decent coinage savings.
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As to using car sales as an indicator of the economy, I whole heartily agree.
Back in 2006 I remember my car dealer boss lamenting times were tough. In 2007 it was the worse they had ever seen. Same thing my brother-in-law said at the time as he worked as the comptroller for a different dealership chain. At that time, nobody but buy gold bullion type folks were forecasting this economy. But the indications were there.
06-21-2012, 11:40 AM
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I'm interested to see what the government is going to do with the tax cuts, sequestration, etc....could be a little catalyst to get things rolling depending on how it's handled. Cars seem to be doing okay but it might be just because folks have held off for a LONG time...we'll see.
06-21-2012, 11:56 AM
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that's true too Grasshopper. There was a binge of car sales post 9/11 because of the rates, possibly stealing from later years car sales.
06-21-2012, 11:58 AM
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Grassy, like you I hope we all do well.
Just wish growth was written in the contract and not stricken from the contract.
Just wish growth was written in the contract and not stricken from the contract.
06-21-2012, 11:59 AM
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Can't stay out of the rain or feed your kids with gold bars. Gambling with your home or any other necessity is absolute madness.
Chinia is the next big bubble waiting to happen. When it pops, $2.00 gas will be expensive.
If anyone has the time for a truly tedious read, try "Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds", by Charles Mackay. Written in 1841, it discusses, among other things, the Dutch tulip frenzy. It is long winded, and takes the patience of Job to get through, but it is not without useful advice and insight.
The fact that this book is still relevant illustrates that people have not gotten any smarter, despite technology, literacy and the "information age". All the internet has done is allow people to get stupid faster, in greater numbers, with less effort.
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06-21-2012, 12:09 PM
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06-21-2012, 12:12 PM
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If anyone has the time for a truly tedious read, try "Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds", by Charles Mackay. Written in 1841, it discusses, among other things, the Dutch tulip frenzy. It is long winded, and takes the patience of Job to get through, but it is not without useful advice and insight.
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