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Old 06-21-2012 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
My money is on a long term status quo with both sides seriously revisiting the question in about 2015, which is probably not a bad time to be negotiating.

In other words ... exactly what ALPA's kinda been saying to expect.

The 717 just isn't that good an airplane when put in a battle against airplanes which are three generations newer. It works if we really are expanding capacity into RJ markets and the CRJ900's are really expanding into CRJ200 markets. HOWEVER, if we are shrinking and displacing to the 717 from the 757 while the CRJ900's take old MD88 flying, then that's an entirely different story
I tend to think you're right about the status quo and AMR. I think they'll try to match the industry scope and then we will get the 717's either way. If we need to grow they are good and if we need to renew the fleet...well...then they blend with the current mantra in that regard.
Old 06-21-2012 | 01:38 PM
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Anyone know what's up with Icrew? In the Daily Trip Coverage section there's a ton of trips with Pw and Ps as reason codes, at least DTW320B.....Anyone know what that's all about?
I saw that yesterday. If you notice many of the trips were past dates. I suspect it was a programming problem after an update.
Old 06-21-2012 | 01:44 PM
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PCS pilot swap with the pot (Ps) and PCS pilot white slip requests (Pw) have been added to the Daily Trip Coverage. It allows you to see who swapped what and who picked up what. I am guessing it is to cut down calls to Crew Scheduling.
Old 06-21-2012 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by UncleSam
I saw that yesterday. If you notice many of the trips were past dates. I suspect it was a programming problem after an update.
They're July trips getting thrown around in PCS. I thought it was a system glitch too. Just more PCS "transparency" though I guess.
Old 06-21-2012 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
If we are continuing capacity reductions, THEN I think we might be better off forcing management to put the CRJ900 equivalent at mainline.
And how do we do that?

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On the flip side, there is nothing (and probably less) keeping Delta from reducing mainline capacity under our current contract.
And absent this TA there is nothing keeping them from replacing that mainline capacity with unlimited 70-seat, 70,000 pound turboprops. We are very exposed as it stands. Look at the capabilities of the Q-400 and tell yourself that DAL management would never do that (think LGA.)

OTOH, under the TA, if they took the 717s and the 76-seaters then started shrinking the mainline fleet, the block hour ratio protection would require them to further shrink the DCI fleet (below the 450 airframe hard cap) concurrently. We have no such protection now.
Old 06-21-2012 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I, along with many others, have been trying to evaluate this TA on the basis of Section 1 above all else. If we are continuing capacity reductions, THEN I think we might be better off forcing management to put the CRJ900 equivalent at mainline.

On the flip side, there is nothing (and probably less) keeping Delta from reducing mainline capacity under our current contract.

Again, I'm undecided. This has been the most difficult contract evaluation I've ever pondered.
If you think the economy is going to tank or that oil is going to stay low, doesn't that argue FOR the TA? Cheap oil and lower demand make the CRJ-200 more economic, and if we shrink at least the TA provides some additional protections in the block hour ratio and no furlough clause for the newer hires. The current contract doesn't offer as much. What am I missing?
Old 06-21-2012 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pro Fessional
And absent this TA there is nothing keeping them from replacing that mainline capacity with unlimited 70-seat, 70,000 pound turboprops.
Sure there is. It's called "passenger acceptance".

You can't call it a jet when it's swinging a prop.

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Old 06-21-2012 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy

Sure there is. It's called "passenger acceptance".

You can't call it a jet when it's swinging a prop.

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A 6 bladed 13 foot prop with 5000shp a side that also has one of the lowest cabin interior noise levels? I think they'd be accepting. Not to mention it has a much bigger cabin interior space than a CRJ-200.

Just too bad if you put an order in now for them you probably wouldn't see one until 2016ish.
Old 06-21-2012 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
A 6 bladed 13 foot prop with 5000shp a side that also has one of the lowest cabin interior noise levels? I think they'd be accepting. Not to mention it has a much bigger cabin interior space than a CRJ-200.

Just too bad if you put an order in now for them you probably wouldn't see one until 2016ish.
Large turboprops have been around forever.

Theyre bigger, more comfortable, cost less and over shorter stage lengths have nearly no increase in time. Way, WAY more comfortable than a small RJ.

Been that way forever, and you're telling me that alrline managements are just NOW figuring it out, when oil is on the way down?

Nothing, and I mean nothin says "Not Delta" like a couple of big paddles. Hell, we could fly those things at the mainline, and people wouldn't believe it's Delta.

If you don't think this is about seamless service, then there is no point arguing.

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Old 06-21-2012 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Even the gold bugs are crying. I saw one guy take out a mortgage on his house to buy more gold, and that was at $1800. The note on his house is still due despite the fact that gold is on it's way down with everything else.

Can't stay out of the rain or feed your kids with gold bars. Gambling with your home or any other necessity is absolute madness.

Chinia is the next big bubble waiting to happen. When it pops, $2.00 gas will be expensive.

If anyone has the time for a truly tedious read, try "Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds", by Charles Mackay. Written in 1841, it discusses, among other things, the Dutch tulip frenzy. It is long winded, and takes the patience of Job to get through, but it is not without useful advice and insight.

The fact that this book is still relevant illustrates that people have not gotten any smarter, despite technology, literacy and the "information age". All the internet has done is allow people to get stupid faster, in greater numbers, with less effort.

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Hey Nu,

Great post, I'll have to heck out the book. Makes me think of Apple, but here's a question. Does the group think Facebook tanking shows we are getting it?
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