Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-23-2012, 10:16 PM
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03-24-2012, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
You sure do draw a lot of (inaccurate) conclusions from what I wrote.
By all means, we should examine the facts, look at the possibilities, and see how we need to adjust our strategies to meet our objectives. But to forego meaningful pay increases based on a projection of doom and gloom (like we did with the merger)... or to assume the scope problem is going to improve based on a trend/forecast that may or may not continue (like I hope we are not doing now)... well, I think that is extremely foolish.
Better to stand up for what we know is right (i.e. professional airline pilots are worth a heck of a lot more than we are currently being paid and Delta pilots should be the only ones flying Delta passengers) and stop outsmarting ourselves by thinking we are economic gurus and business experts.
By all means, we should examine the facts, look at the possibilities, and see how we need to adjust our strategies to meet our objectives. But to forego meaningful pay increases based on a projection of doom and gloom (like we did with the merger)... or to assume the scope problem is going to improve based on a trend/forecast that may or may not continue (like I hope we are not doing now)... well, I think that is extremely foolish.
Better to stand up for what we know is right (i.e. professional airline pilots are worth a heck of a lot more than we are currently being paid and Delta pilots should be the only ones flying Delta passengers) and stop outsmarting ourselves by thinking we are economic gurus and business experts.
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03-24-2012, 09:20 AM
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03-24-2012, 10:22 AM
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Rumor alert! The following are some unsubstantiated rumors I have been hearing. Pick 'em apart if you care.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
03-24-2012, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Rumor alert! The following are some unsubstantiated rumors I have been hearing. Pick 'em apart if you care.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
I say puff, puff, give.
03-24-2012, 11:17 AM
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Rumor around Compass managment and training department is flows by the end of the year/January.
03-24-2012, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Rumor alert! The following are some unsubstantiated rumors I have been hearing. Pick 'em apart if you care.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
As to the second part, while we would focus on the staple/flow, I'd want to see at least a 90%+ vote at ASA/etc for something like this or we'll be not only right back in DFR court but with dirtbag lawyers chomping at our seniority numbers. That makes something like this high risk:low reward from our point of view. Why risk future lawsuits and a possible raping of our seniority list when we could just start another regional start up from scratch. Like Compass.
Oh wait, we just did that.
So why get in bed with other airlines for something we could just do ourselves internally and entirely?
I don't buy the pilot shortage/supply argument either. Without something like this, DL can just mass hire from ASA and any other regional at will. Even with something like this, pilots, especially those not imminently about to flow or transition to mainline equipment will leave for other airlines anyway.
What exactly would this accomplish and how would it help stop large RJ outsourcing? Will management agree to make ASA the exclusive RJ provider? That could be a way to start the negotiations on this, but I don't think they will put the outsourcing crack pipe down long enough to even propose it much less seriously consider it.
03-24-2012, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Rumor alert! The following are some unsubstantiated rumors I have been hearing. Pick 'em apart if you care.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
ExpressJet does conduct at least a portion of the interview at the ATL training center. They use one of the 737 FTDs. I spoke with a few interview candidates in Feb who were reviewing a gouge before their FTD session. That's all I know.
03-24-2012, 02:39 PM
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Doesn't SkyWest own ASA? Seems to me that would make any kind of staple pretty hard....
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03-24-2012, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Rumor alert! The following are some unsubstantiated rumors I have been hearing. Pick 'em apart if you care.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
SWA 717s to DAL w/o pilots at the end of the year (2012). There's a whole thread dedicated to it, so I'll leave it at that.
Pilot retirement program with a medical plan to be announced shortly (by the end of the month?). The plan targets certain age groups and pilot positions to smooth out the upcoming retirement demographics and numbers. It is reported to be generous.
The wierdest: ASA (expressjet) pilots being told by their Flt Ops chief that they will be "stapled" to the bottom of the DAL list. Apparently ASA (expressjet's) interview process is conducted by DAL now, including 73N sim time at DAL.
I dont have any first hand knowledge of any of this stuff except it is making its rounds. There is more too, but I don't have enough detail to make a coherent post.
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