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03-23-2012, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
So, the point? Quit giving people the impression that we'll walk in, slam our demands on a desk, give them the finger and walk out with a new contract that has everything we want.
Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
That's not going to happen, and you know it's not going to happen.
Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
We have a chance to get everything right this time, and whether it takes 6 months or 5 years, let's get it right. But we have to be prepared for that, and be patient to get it right. And to strike if necessary.
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03-23-2012, 08:13 AM
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If the reserve limit is 73 and I'm over 70 am I guaranteed to have the rest of the month off or are there circumstances where they can give you a trip on reserve that will take you over the reserve limit? Bueller..
03-23-2012, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
You've got to be kidding me. This is a general timeline. It's not OUR timeline. Nowhere does it say that this applies to us! The NMB could tell us to pound sand and come back in 3 years!
Are you sure you've done this before.
Are you sure you've done this before.
I believe we should use this as a guide, instead of a paid DALPA leaker who lied about what the NMB actually said. Now if you'd prefer to believe something the NMB did NOT say, have at it.
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03-23-2012, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
One simple question: Did any of these folks have in their contract (as we do) that mediation MUST be agreed to ~90 days after the contract's amendable date?
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03-23-2012, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
It was and is sailingfun that's been stating the NMB will park us indefinitely depending upon various and changing scenarios. What do you think "parking" means?
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03-23-2012, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
If the reserve limit is 73 and I'm over 70 am I guaranteed to have the rest of the month off or are there circumstances where they can give you a trip on reserve that will take you over the reserve limit? Bueller..
03-23-2012, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
They can't assign you anything that will put you over the ALV, which is 72 hours this month, unless you volunteer for it via a yellow slip or green slip. Min report pay is 2:00, so if you are over 70, they can't use you anymore. Call scheduling and ask them about it. They'll most likely mark you down as free from all duty for the rest of the month. You'll want to do that so you are on record as rested in case you decide to try and pick something else up.
03-23-2012, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
Don't think so, but that has no bearing on how long our contract is going to take
In our case, any delays will be just the time taken by the NMB. It's a huge difference for those who are intent on comparing our situation to AMR, USAirways, etc.
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03-23-2012, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
Quote for me where he said that.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
This is much like the Delta contract. There are many who advocate a contract position with nothing less then total restoration plus inflation. Sounds great on paper but again what are the risks and what are the rewards. If you end up iced by the NMB and 5 years later we are still working under this agreement was that a wise choice?
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Second question. Do you see DPA being able to establish a working relationship and the political ties that will be required to get past the NMB in this contract in the amount of time remaining? What will they do different from American to avoid the 5 year debacle that has been their contract negotiations.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
The only way to get that type of contract will be after a release from the NMB. Contrary to what Carl thinks this is going to be a political contract. The NMB already recognizes it as a watershed contract in the industry. They have involved themselves in the process already which is highly unusual.
The normal time frame to get through the NMB is 4 years at the moment. Our contract will take longer. The earliest we can expect a release if ever is probably around 2017.
The normal time frame to get through the NMB is 4 years at the moment. Our contract will take longer. The earliest we can expect a release if ever is probably around 2017.
03-23-2012, 10:35 AM
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And now, from the "No money in cargo Department"
AirFrance is increasing frequency to ORD from 4 to six weekly flights in addition to twice-weekly service to ALT.
The ORD flights operate via JFK...
Cheers
George
AirFrance is increasing frequency to ORD from 4 to six weekly flights in addition to twice-weekly service to ALT.
The ORD flights operate via JFK...
Cheers
George
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