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03-22-2012 | 07:34 PM
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03-22-2012 | 07:38 PM
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Gotta have a thick skin in this business. You can only imagine the expletives they throw my way. None the less, they're the best shot we've got. At the end of the day, they support me and I support them. We're in a union together.
03-22-2012 | 07:41 PM
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Do they really have to pin us on something we have to give? Haven't we already proven that we are them and they are us?
Can I go in front of the company and the MEC and testify? Be happy to.
03-22-2012 | 08:00 PM
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At the open session brief with Linda Puchala, she told the MEC in a round about manner:
3. The Delta pilot group might make the appearance of progress down the path towards a release by the NMB, but at the end there are the two last steps.
A. If there is a PEB, the President will put you back to work.
3. The Delta pilot group might make the appearance of progress down the path towards a release by the NMB, but at the end there are the two last steps.
A. If there is a PEB, the President will put you back to work.
At the open session brief with Linda Puchala, she told the MEC in a round about manner:
B. After a PEB the Delta pilots might think that congress would never be able to act fast enough to put us back to work through legislation. Linda said, put that out of your mind. The legislation is written with the Delta pilot's name already filled in the blank.
B. After a PEB the Delta pilots might think that congress would never be able to act fast enough to put us back to work through legislation. Linda said, put that out of your mind. The legislation is written with the Delta pilot's name already filled in the blank.
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03-22-2012 | 08:17 PM
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Typical Contract Bargaining
...............Cycle
Calculate the time between amendable dates:
ADD:
+ Negotiations Prep after amendable date=0
+ Time in Direct Negotiations=18 months
+ Time in RLA Mediation= 29 months
+ Time in Ratification Process=1 month
+ Time Until Next Amendable Date=4 years
Contract Bargaining Cycle = 8 years
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Typical Contract Bargaining
...............Cycle
Calculate the time between amendable dates:
ADD:
+ Negotiations Prep after amendable date=0
+ Time in Direct Negotiations=18 months
+ Time in RLA Mediation= 29 months
+ Time in Ratification Process=1 month
+ Time Until Next Amendable Date=4 years
Contract Bargaining Cycle = 8 years
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The third bullet above is really the key because it shows that the NMB process is not a bottomless pit of surrender for labor.
Now for the math. After our contract's amendable date, we'll have a maximum of 3 more months of direct negotiations, then 29 months (typical) of NMB involvement before self-help could commence. 29 plus 3 is 32 months. Not even 3 years. Would you not be willing to fight hard for 32 months if management decided to play hard ball? This is really important to understand, and NOT believe what the sailingfun's are trying to spew about the NMB process taking 5 or more years and a no-win situation for labor.
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03-22-2012 | 08:20 PM
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Carl you and I both know that anything worth doing might take sometime. It is not worth arguing over it. Looking at the other airlines dealing with the same predicament it probably will be a while. We all know how it works so I wouldn't worry about convincing everyone. You will get your blood pressure up and won't get to vote on the TA one day when it does get here.
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03-22-2012 | 08:22 PM
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And you could argue that Ms. Pachala is absolutely correct. But you have to keep in mind that she is a mediator. Her job is to steer both parties to a mutually agreeable settlement. Fear of the unknown is one of the biggest tools they have to accomplish this. In other words, that's exactly what I'd expect her to say. She probably told the company that they will be on their own if we strike, and Emirates is a better airline anyhow.
Carl
03-22-2012 | 08:26 PM
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Carl,
Just look at contract negotiations over the last 10 years. Many airlines spent 5 years minimum in Sec 6. It took Pinnacle 5+ years. RAH has been in negotiations longer then that. I believe TranStates was in Sec 6 for 5+ years as well. Heck, how long was AirTran in negotiations before they brought ALPA in? How long has UsAir been in Sec 6? These are just a few examples.
I'm not saying that we will be stuck in Sec 6, but it has happened to quite a few airlines lately. Many are in Sec 6 now, & management is able to use the RLA to drag things out.
Just look at contract negotiations over the last 10 years. Many airlines spent 5 years minimum in Sec 6. It took Pinnacle 5+ years. RAH has been in negotiations longer then that. I believe TranStates was in Sec 6 for 5+ years as well. Heck, how long was AirTran in negotiations before they brought ALPA in? How long has UsAir been in Sec 6? These are just a few examples.
I'm not saying that we will be stuck in Sec 6, but it has happened to quite a few airlines lately. Many are in Sec 6 now, & management is able to use the RLA to drag things out.
03-22-2012 | 08:27 PM
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The new ALPA doesn't even mention it.
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03-22-2012 | 08:38 PM
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Our cooperation, our continued high standards of safety and professionalism, our previous give backs and our agreements therefore, our due diligence and work-arounds to ensure the most seamless and successful merger of legacy airlines in commercial aviation history, our historic contributions to Delta's most profitable year ever, ......, and, if that's not enough, google US Air, UAL/CA, SWA/AT, AMR, ....
Do they really have to pin us on something we have to give? Haven't we already proven that we are them and they are us?
Can I go in front of the company and the MEC and testify? Be happy to.
Do they really have to pin us on something we have to give? Haven't we already proven that we are them and they are us?
Can I go in front of the company and the MEC and testify? Be happy to.
Carl
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