Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-17-2012, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
My idea is to just let them work until 65. Most of them will be dead before they turn 75. The joke is on them. Every year they work, they take years off the end of their lives. I come from an airline background. Most of the retired pilots that I know are dying well younger than the national average, and these are the guys that retired at 60.
All of these guys that get an extra five years(maybe more) in the left seat need it. They had a pension and no real retirement savings vehicle here at DAL before it was terminated. Many assumed they had a pension and when it was terminated they needed at least another then years to get anywhere close to enough money to retire. They hate being here too,but are happy they get their five years in a left seat while you get your in the right. It is what it is. Stop this junior v senior bs.
42% pay cut
Loss of pension
Loss of work rules
Loss of vacation
Loss of sick time
Working at least 30 more block hrs a year
Need I go on? They are not staying here to screw you or I, they are here to avoid the Walmart greeters job.
When you are there age you too will be doing everything in your power to work until retirement age too. So will I. It is a math game and no more. We would all retire tomorrow if we could.
03-17-2012, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Dude really?
All of these guys that get an extra five years(maybe more) in the left seat need it. They had a pension and no real retirement savings vehicle here at DAL before it was terminated. Many assumed they had a pension and when it was terminated they needed at least another then years to get anywhere close to enough money to retire. They hate being here too,but are happy they get their five years in a left seat while you get your in the right. It is what it is. Stop this junior v senior bs.
42% pay cut
Loss of pension
Loss of work rules
Loss of vacation
Loss of sick time
Working at least 30 more block hrs a year
Need I go on? They are not staying here to screw you or I, they are here to avoid the Walmart greeters job.
When you are there age you too will be doing everything in your power to work until retirement age too. So will I. It is a math game and no more. We would all retire tomorrow if we could.
All of these guys that get an extra five years(maybe more) in the left seat need it. They had a pension and no real retirement savings vehicle here at DAL before it was terminated. Many assumed they had a pension and when it was terminated they needed at least another then years to get anywhere close to enough money to retire. They hate being here too,but are happy they get their five years in a left seat while you get your in the right. It is what it is. Stop this junior v senior bs.
42% pay cut
Loss of pension
Loss of work rules
Loss of vacation
Loss of sick time
Working at least 30 more block hrs a year
Need I go on? They are not staying here to screw you or I, they are here to avoid the Walmart greeters job.
When you are there age you too will be doing everything in your power to work until retirement age too. So will I. It is a math game and no more. We would all retire tomorrow if we could.
03-17-2012, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
With the Age 60 rule the average retirement age was around 57.5. There are a number of guys who go out on disability (various medical problems that won't allow them to pass a Class 1). We can expect the same thing to be true of the Age 65 rule - the average age of retirees will be around 62 - there will be quite a few guys that try to fly to 65 that won't make.
Btw don't get me wrong, if the rule is 65, have at it. It's the rule. but if we're going to be consistent, why not have made it retroactive? As in forced carriers to take back their over 60 but under 65 at their previous seniority? And why not age 67 if it is truly a financial issue?
And if an FAA medical is good enough, why does alpa fight age 60+ related age testing?
Last edited by forgot to bid; 03-17-2012 at 05:55 AM.
03-17-2012, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
I agree, retirement planning is not an individual's responsibility. When my social security check doesnt show up 30 years from now ill be asking your grand kids to feed me instead because "i was counting on that".
03-17-2012, 05:10 AM
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Capt D-Bag Update
Hey Guys,
I am happy to report that Capt D-Bag was not flying my DH flight back to MSP yesterday. The flight was only a few minutes late departing and we arrived on time. The First Officer did the PA and kept it short and sweet (Nice). This crew had a clue and the cabin temp was comfortable (even with a full plane and it being in the 80s in ATL). Overall I would rate this DH as a 8 out of 10, with only -2 points for the F/A pushing the American Express Cards. Have a great weekend and here is hoping your DHs are uneventful.
AP out!
I am happy to report that Capt D-Bag was not flying my DH flight back to MSP yesterday. The flight was only a few minutes late departing and we arrived on time. The First Officer did the PA and kept it short and sweet (Nice). This crew had a clue and the cabin temp was comfortable (even with a full plane and it being in the 80s in ATL). Overall I would rate this DH as a 8 out of 10, with only -2 points for the F/A pushing the American Express Cards. Have a great weekend and here is hoping your DHs are uneventful.
AP out!
03-17-2012, 05:11 AM
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I've got VD..Oops got a VD on the AE. It will be an initial qual. Is there any rhyme or reason on the order of training? IE: AE, VD then MDs? Thanks
03-17-2012, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
I've got VD..Oops got a VD on the AE. It will be an initial qual. Is there any rhyme or reason on the order of training? IE: AE, VD then MDs? Thanks
Well do what Ferd said to do, scratch harder.
Conversions from AEs and VDs are normally in seniority order, while MDs are in inverse seniority order.
03-17-2012, 05:15 AM
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Boeing, Delta Clash on Exports - WSJ.com
Interesting article, seems like we are pushing pretty hard against the Exim-Bank.
Anyone know if American Airline Companies receive the same type of benefit when buying from Airbus? According to the article, it seems we do get this benefit from Brazil and Canada.
Boeing Disputes India Report of $500 Million 787 Payment
Air India seems to be shrooming pretty good if they think Boeing is going to cut them a check for $500 million.
Interesting article, seems like we are pushing pretty hard against the Exim-Bank.
Anyone know if American Airline Companies receive the same type of benefit when buying from Airbus? According to the article, it seems we do get this benefit from Brazil and Canada.
Boeing Disputes India Report of $500 Million 787 Payment
Air India seems to be shrooming pretty good if they think Boeing is going to cut them a check for $500 million.
Last edited by DeadHead; 03-17-2012 at 05:29 AM.
03-17-2012, 05:17 AM
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So did Captain PA D-Bag go from the 88 to the 7ER? Or is there, sigh, more than one?
03-17-2012, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So did Captain PA D-Bag go from the 88 to the 7ER? Or is there, sigh, more than one?
Must be more than one. Sorry......
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