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Old 03-23-2012 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler


It was and is sailingfun that's been stating the NMB will park us indefinitely depending upon various and changing scenarios. What do you think "parking" means?

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Quote for me where he said that.
Old 03-23-2012 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
If the reserve limit is 73 and I'm over 70 am I guaranteed to have the rest of the month off or are there circumstances where they can give you a trip on reserve that will take you over the reserve limit? Bueller..
They can't assign you anything that will put you over the ALV, which is 72 hours this month, unless you volunteer for it via a yellow slip or green slip. Min report pay is 2:00, so if you are over 70, they can't use you anymore. Call scheduling and ask them about it. They'll most likely mark you down as free from all duty for the rest of the month. You'll want to do that so you are on record as rested in case you decide to try and pick something else up.
Old 03-23-2012 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
They can't assign you anything that will put you over the ALV, which is 72 hours this month, unless you volunteer for it via a yellow slip or green slip. Min report pay is 2:00, so if you are over 70, they can't use you anymore. Call scheduling and ask them about it. They'll most likely mark you down as free from all duty for the rest of the month. You'll want to do that so you are on record as rested in case you decide to try and pick something else up.
Thanks! As a FNG guy, the more I read the PWA, the more I'm confused
Old 03-23-2012 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
Don't think so, but that has no bearing on how long our contract is going to take
Sure it does. Without what we have in our contract, direct negotiations alone can take 3 to 4 years if it's to management's advantage to drag their feet. Then with the NMB taking a typical time of 29 months, that's how you get to that 5, 6 or more year point.

In our case, any delays will be just the time taken by the NMB. It's a huge difference for those who are intent on comparing our situation to AMR, USAirways, etc.

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Old 03-23-2012 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
Quote for me where he said that.
No matter what I post, you'll say I didn't prove it. But for others who's minds aren't closed:

Originally Posted by sailingfun
This is much like the Delta contract. There are many who advocate a contract position with nothing less then total restoration plus inflation. Sounds great on paper but again what are the risks and what are the rewards. If you end up iced by the NMB and 5 years later we are still working under this agreement was that a wise choice?
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Second question. Do you see DPA being able to establish a working relationship and the political ties that will be required to get past the NMB in this contract in the amount of time remaining? What will they do different from American to avoid the 5 year debacle that has been their contract negotiations.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
The only way to get that type of contract will be after a release from the NMB. Contrary to what Carl thinks this is going to be a political contract. The NMB already recognizes it as a watershed contract in the industry. They have involved themselves in the process already which is highly unusual.

The normal time frame to get through the NMB is 4 years at the moment. Our contract will take longer. The earliest we can expect a release if ever is probably around 2017.
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Old 03-23-2012 | 10:35 AM
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And now, from the "No money in cargo Department"

AirFrance is increasing frequency to ORD from 4 to six weekly flights in addition to twice-weekly service to ALT.

The ORD flights operate via JFK...

Cheers
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Old 03-23-2012 | 11:35 AM
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Is Compass really prepping for a pending flow up?

Ya'll know?

And another question, is 24 hour assigned rest mean free from calls about next day SC? Someone asked me but I don't have time to look. Is that 24 hours free from company contact?
Old 03-23-2012 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Is Compass really prepping for a pending flow up?

Ya'll know?
I know we've stepped up hiring...I've heard 40 pilots in the next few months "in anticipation of turnover." So unless they think a bunch of us are getting hired at FedEx, or they're just gonna fire the 40 most senior (wouldn't put it past Hulas!)....
Old 03-23-2012 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
I know we've stepped up hiring...I've heard 40 pilots in the next few months "in anticipation of turnover." So unless they think a bunch of us are getting hired at FedEx, or they're just gonna fire the 40 most senior (wouldn't put it past Hulas!)....
As a person who didn't think we should represent two pilot groups, I certainly think we should represent one: the Delta pilots. I suspect, but don't know, that soon the supply of qualified pilots will be a problem, and the small-gauge scope and RJ economics being what they are, it's not hard to imagine a day where the regionals will allow Delta to dump 50-seaters, in exchange for larger aircraft crewed by Delta pilots. It doesn't really matter to me what structure they use to make it work, but I see a convergence of factors forcing an agreement on Scope that would be mutually advantageous to all parties.

I don't claim any special knowledge. I did speak to a friend that had a fourth-floor guy on the jumpseat, and he had just returned from an airline conference that gave him the impression there are only enough qualified pilots in the pieline for the majors to hire for the first two years of Age 65 mandatory retirements.
Old 03-23-2012 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
As a person who didn't think we should represent two pilot groups, I certainly think we should represent one: the Delta pilots. I suspect, but don't know, that soon the supply of qualified pilots will be a problem, and the small-gauge scope and RJ economics being what they are, it's not hard to imagine a day where the regionals will allow Delta to dump 50-seaters, in exchange for larger aircraft crewed by Delta pilots. It doesn't really matter to me what structure they use to make it work, but I see a convergence of factors forcing an agreement on Scope that would be mutually advantageous to all parties.
If it's a "forced" agreement on scope, what is your vision as to how that could be advantageous to pilots?

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