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Old 02-11-2012, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
IMHO we should be making an issue of this as our jets age and go away without replacement aircraft coming on line. Delta management has bought more than 700 new jets the last decade, the issue is, we don't fly them.
FYI only. Delta has over 120 aircraft on order and another 30 on option that are scheduled to come on line over the next 6 years (737-900 and MD-90). DCI has 1. Delta is about 60 aircraft smaller than at the merger. DCI is over 100 aircraft smaller.
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Old 02-11-2012, 02:55 PM
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We all agree outsourcing is kicking our butts. I think we will get some help with that problem as regional costs start to climb with the new ft/dt rules. They regularly like to push the envelope with their crews so this will be a major adjustment for them as they have to hire to cover shorter duty periods...or wipe out long sits. Also the new hiring times will mean that those 250 hour guys aren't undercutting the profession anymore. At least they will have to work somewhere for a couple months to cut their teeth.

I know we still have 2 years but both of these factors will raise the regionals price tag and hopefully mean DAL will keep more flying in house. With that and our push for new scope in 2012 contract hopefully we can turn this ship around.
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
FYI only. Delta has over 120 aircraft on order and another 30 on option that are scheduled to come on line over the next 6 years (737-900 and MD-90). DCI has 1. Delta is about 60 aircraft smaller than at the merger. DCI is over 100 aircraft smaller.
Agreed and thanks, though to be an apples to apples comparison we would have to go back to 2000 when the change beagn. To get the post merger "big picture" would we need to include Air France / KLM, Mexicana (since the investment), GOL and Alaska in the mix?

What is your thought on "Outsourcing is an abrogation of seniority" ?

I am aware of Delta's orders and thankful for them. Would be nice if we had 787's to replace the 757's instead of 737's and MD90's. Anyone know how NWA had intended to deploy the 787-8? Just curious.
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
FYI only. Delta has over 120 aircraft on order and another 30 on option that are scheduled to come on line over the next 6 years (737-900 and MD-90). DCI has 1. Delta is about 60 aircraft smaller than at the merger. DCI is over 100 aircraft smaller.
Since you're comparing reductions between mainline and DCI, it may be helpful to compare orders as well, for more clarity. How many orders for DCI jets?
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Not entirely true. A junior line on the 7er in NYC consists of uncommutable 10.5 hour 3 day, 2 leg trans cons. Either that or all Mexico City 2 days which are also early departure and late arrival. I'll take reserve over that any month.
True, but if the Reserve system entices one senior person to move into Reserve, then one low-seniority pilot gets to improve their bidding position, for a line, by one number. His point stands.

Then again, I also see your point: it's all sort of degrees of crap, in the bottom 25% of lines for the NYC 7ER.
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Since you're comparing reductions between mainline and DCI, it may be helpful to compare orders as well, for more clarity. How many orders for DCI jets?
They are at the 255 max, unless they start getting Dash 8 Q 400's.
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
FYI only. Delta has over 120 aircraft on order and another 30 on option that are scheduled to come on line over the next 6 years (737-900 and MD-90). DCI has 1. Delta is about 60 aircraft smaller than at the merger. DCI is over 100 aircraft smaller.

While it is great that we are getting new airplanes, they have zero growth for our airline. As it stands now, they are a one for one replacement, and unfortunately, they are replacing a sizable number of larger paying equipment.
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
And what if APCF L&G About Delta folks did it?



Wow, 51 minutes. They must've gotten excited half way through.

I can't believe no one has quoted this. I'm still laughing from when I saw this on my phone on the employee bus earlier today.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Since you're comparing reductions between mainline and DCI, it may be helpful to compare orders as well, for more clarity. How many orders for DCI jets?
That was in my original answer, bolded below:


Originally Posted by slowplay
FYI only. Delta has over 120 aircraft on order and another 30 on option that are scheduled to come on line over the next 6 years (737-900 and MD-90). DCI has 1. Delta is about 60 aircraft smaller than at the merger. DCI is over 100 aircraft smaller.
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:28 PM
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Kate Upton wanted me to remind ya'll to not forget to bid/

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