Originally Posted by Scoop

Guys,

Here is another category:

12FEB2012 ATL73N B

The following is a list of Pilots from senior to Junior:

Seniority Number RAW S/C Credit

10,XXX 73 3
10,XXX 55 2
10,XXX 10 2
11,XXX 13 1
11,XXX 21 1
11,XXX 5 1



I think you would be hard pressed to show the junior guy with the lowest RAW and only S/C has been hosed. Once again exactly the opposite of what we were told would happen.

Hey - maybe there is not enough data and we should wait a few months?

Scoop

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

i have 4 this month already, 3 this week and guys junior dont have that many. this system has no transparency or rime or reason. I'm only good for 2 days while others are good for 3+ days with less raw and less sc's....

Originally Posted by Scoop

Super,

I don't believe the SC bidding has started yet. But it appears the senior guys are getting screwed in your category also.

Scoop

Originally Posted by Scoop

Buzz,

The seniority on reserve issue is being blown way out of proportion on this site - probably because many of the posters are very junior and think they might get hosed - fair enough, but I think many are premature in their judgment.

We both have said give it a chance - if it is unfair lets fix it, but guys want to call it a failure now and point to the small but vocal group on this forum as proof that it is unfair. Well lets look at a couple of things:

1. I looked at the RAW scores of a few junior categories and am not seeing the "unfairness" that I thought would be overwhelming.

11Feb2012 ATL 88B RAWs:

34
71
48
18
38
105

Well obviously the junior guy got hosed at 105 - wrong the 105 RAW is the most senior pilot on the list for today. My only guess would be he wanted to get into group 2 and have the 2nd half of the month off - who knows. Also the raw of 18 is the most junior guy for today.

This is the exact opposite of what we were told was going to happen.

2. I looked at the DALPA forum for the expected posting about the junior guys are getting hosed on reserve. Could not find it because most guys there, perhaps due to a more even distribution throughout the seniority list, had nothing but praise for the new system with kudos to the SOT.

So I will say again - lets give it a few months and see how it actually works before we deem it a failure. If after a few months it can be confirmed to unfairly burden the junior guys then absolutely we should fix it. But lets make sure its broke before we fix it.

Scoop

Originally Posted by XtremeF150

I think this is about right. Being in probably the smallest category in the company (about 20 fo's in MEMDC9B) and only about 65% everybody is getting hit randomly just as before. In a much larger category sure the senior guy might have a buffer. The thing I like is that I feel like there is more transparency in how we are placed and assigned. This is the most important thing to me. If its my time to work so be it I'll grab my things and head that way. However I hate feeling like a scheduler assigned something willy nilly like.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

it hasnt started but the system sucks and for us commuters, 3 sc's in a week and not consecutive is bs. they dont have any flying or adequate reserves so the same guys are getting sc over and over because they've only got 3 reserves available....

Originally Posted by Scoop

Buzz,

The seniority on reserve issue is being blown way out of proportion on this site - probably because many of the posters are very junior and think they might get hosed - fair enough, but I think many are premature in their judgment.

We both have said give it a chance - if it is unfair lets fix it, but guys want to call it a failure now and point to the small but vocal group on this forum as proof that it is unfair. Well lets look at a couple of things:

1. I looked at the RAW scores of a few junior categories and am not seeing the "unfairness" that I thought would be overwhelming.

11Feb2012 ATL 88B RAWs:

34
71
48
18
38
105

Well obviously the junior guy got hosed at 105 - wrong the 105 RAW is the most senior pilot on the list for today. My only guess would be he wanted to get into group 2 and have the 2nd half of the month off - who knows. Also the raw of 18 is the most junior guy for today.

This is the exact opposite of what we were told was going to happen.

2. I looked at the DALPA forum for the expected posting about the junior guys are getting hosed on reserve. Could not find it because most guys there, perhaps due to a more even distribution throughout the seniority list, had nothing but praise for the new system with kudos to the SOT.

So I will say again - lets give it a few months and see how it actually works before we deem it a failure. If after a few months it can be confirmed to unfairly burden the junior guys then absolutely we should fix it. But lets make sure its broke before we fix it.

Scoop

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

it hasnt started but the system sucks and for us commuters, 3 sc's in a week and not consecutive is bs. they dont have any flying or adequate reserves so the same guys are getting sc over and over because they've only got 3 reserves available....

Originally Posted by Scoop

Guys,

Here is another category:

12FEB2012 ATL73N B

The following is a list of Pilots from senior to Junior:

Seniority Number/ RAW/ SC Credit

10,XXX/ 73/ 3
10,XXX/ 55/ 2
10,XXX/ 10/ 2
11,XXX/ 13/ 1
11,XXX/ 21/ 1
11,XXX/ 5/ 1



I think you would be hard pressed to show the junior guy with the lowest RAW and only 1 S/C has been hosed. Once again exactly the opposite of what we were told would happen.

Hey - maybe there is not enough data and we should wait a few months? Or we can pass judgement now and say the senior guys are getting hosed.

Scoop