Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-03-2012 | 04:15 PM
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Thank god we only have 18 777s, 16 744, 20 or so 330-200s, and a few 767s that require that. And with no orders in sight and our code share buddies around the world taking delivery of ULH aircraft it shouldn't be that big a hit
More to the point actually is that DALPA tells us that our contract provides protections which exceed the FTDT requirements. This may be true, but this is today. In 2 years when FTDT goes into effect, I would expect a full on assault from the company to reduce the contractual requirements to be more in line with FTDT.
Additionally, I would think that the company in C2012, would want to reduce the Captain headcount on flts in excess of 12 hrs. If you think you are stagnant today...
Just keep your eyes open.
Additionally, I would think that the company in C2012, would want to reduce the Captain headcount on flts in excess of 12 hrs. If you think you are stagnant today...
Just keep your eyes open.
02-03-2012 | 04:21 PM
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anyone commute out of BNA or CHA to atl? I'm thinking about choosing to commute since my base ain't here beyond April. I like Tennessee income tax, gun and homeschool laws. 10 flights a day on Delta in between ATL and BNA/CHA. tell me why I ought to pay Georgia income tax and put up with the traffic from Newnan. Have a great day.
02-03-2012 | 04:25 PM
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Can't speak for the RD's, but us fNWA guys mostly are hedging our bets in case our pensions are routed in a follow-on bankruptcy. Since I have 4 years left (til age 60), I want to try and stay 4 more years. I'd love to take a buyout now and just focus on my business, but if the pension gets wrecked after I jump out early, I'd sure wish I had the opportunity to work until 65 to try and make up for the loss of my retirement plan. I think most of us are thinking the same thing and planning on staying til 60.
Last time however, we had a number of pre age 60 guys take the buyout. The foreign airlines are offering some unbeatable wages for the 744 and the 777. It's getting very tempting.
Carl
Last time however, we had a number of pre age 60 guys take the buyout. The foreign airlines are offering some unbeatable wages for the 744 and the 777. It's getting very tempting.
Carl
02-03-2012 | 04:29 PM
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The PWA is more stringent than the current FAR's. Those protections survived bankruptcy (when management tried to gut them in 1113C, just like AMR is now). The new FTDT rules are more lenient in certain areas than the PWA, and substantially tighter in others. We pocket the tighter areas because it's the law. The more lenient ones management has to negotiate to include in the book. That's leverage, not a Chicken Little moment.
I agree with you. Can you have DALPA put that in writing and sign it?
Why didn't you pick apart my thoughts on going from 2 capts to one on flights over 12 hrs? That's leverage too.
02-03-2012 | 04:44 PM
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I don't think you guys are interpreting it correctly...at least the way it seems to be working in LA. The buckets only come into play when the seniority system has been run based on days available. If a senior guy (me) has three days available and there's a three day trip, guess who gets it? Me. If a junior guy flies trip, incurs some raw, but has less days available or its not a match for the days required, he doesn't get it. The senior guy does and then the seniority system comes into play again with the next bucket.
And, as discussed before, the buckets will be adjusted by category. It is too early from my viewpoint to color an entire process based on what is now the second month of a new initiative.
Also, as a very junior line holder (occasionally) in LA, I can assure you that there is a significant difference between junior and senior QOLs. It seems commensurate with the difference between senior and junior on reserve.
And, as discussed before, the buckets will be adjusted by category. It is too early from my viewpoint to color an entire process based on what is now the second month of a new initiative.
Also, as a very junior line holder (occasionally) in LA, I can assure you that there is a significant difference between junior and senior QOLs. It seems commensurate with the difference between senior and junior on reserve.
Buzz,
How dare you add logic to this discussion. The new reserve system, which can be adjusted monthly, which the company wants to use to level the flying, is a total failure. After 4 days of the new system we should give up and go back to the old system. After all who wants to:
*Bid for SC
*Get credit for SC
*Have more say in what trips they get
Can't you see the obvious - the company wants to hire as many pilots as possible so they will keep the buckets prohibitively high so junior guys max out 2/3 of the way through the month requiring additional reserves.
Sheer genius. I wonder when we will start hiring to meet the additional reserve requirements? According to some guys on here every junior guy will fly out within the first three weeks - that must equal hundreds of additional pilots required. All the junior guys on reserve will soon be senior on reserve when this "boom" hits.
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02-03-2012 | 05:09 PM
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and take the wind out of my sails and make me get out and start rowing again.
FWIW I think you're right. Despite the talk about hiring this year I'm just not seeing it. Hope I'm wrong.
02-03-2012 | 05:22 PM
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02-03-2012 | 05:26 PM
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I agree with the ULH rules. Now that they are stating three B's and one A, I expect DAL to push for what the rest of the industry is doing. Thing is they stated they were doing it for safety, so that might be an interesting one to get around. Like you said, watch their feet. That is a ton of high paying seats.
I had assumed that the ULH relief in the new FTDT mirrored the 9+ hour rules whereby the block time was a hard time at throttle up with no "legal to start" nonsense in it. Pushing the envelope to get an extra hour out of a 3 man crew wouldn't make any more sense than it would with a 2 man crew on an 8-9 hour hard time block day. High risk, low reward. One 777/747 canceling on the other side of the world and its ripple effects would cancel out an unfathomable amount of "savings" from dropping the 4th pilot on that percentage of flights, CA or FO.
02-03-2012 | 05:32 PM
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Doesn't really help the company. Someone is going to fly it and if you Y/S it either it was going to be you anyway or you were in line to get something else. If that trip you're eyeing is better than a lot of other "something else's" then might as well yellow it. YMMV.
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