We've already lost that chance.

There is no way to "monetize labor peace" when there is no credible threat of labor discord. We've seen no leadership or any kind of spark from Donatelli indicating he's got the stomach to fight. Moak is on record saying he's ok with "marginal" pay increases... he mentioned $2.00 or $2.05! :eek:

RA has already stated that labor risk is off the table.

Translation: we know ALPA won't fight. Donatelli has already rolled over.

Is that the only thing you can say? Don't like the message Purple? Have to assign imaginary positions for people you don't have the ability to debate? Oberon spanked all of you, is a new hire so obviously has no position with ALPA, and that is the best you can do?

Pretty sad and pathetic.

I have absolutely, I repeat absolutely nothing to do with ALPA but that doesn't make any difference to you. In your small angry mind anyone who doesn't parrot your message (or TC's) must be getting paid.

Are those the talking points you are getting from Tim?

I have nobody on ignore Wingnutdal...not even you.

Carl

Then answer any of the above. You are on the DPA organizational chart, and I think it's time you admit it.

What exactly is your message? Do you have anything of substance to add?

Oberon just flowed up from CPZ this year. Your instant reversion to conspiracy theories get a bit old.

FWIW, I generally don't agree with the points he tries to make.

Completely agree.

Yes they are.

You characterize our rational and proven desire as a "scream" and analogize restoration to figuratively "kicking management in the nuts." Didn't you just say that your angle was rational thought and how much you like fact-based debate?

We got it Oberon. You equate wanting restoration as figuratively "kicking management in the nuts." If you really believe that, it's no wonder this doesn't make sense to you. It'll be difficult to understand each other if we mischaracterize each other this badly.

Carl

Are you a member of management, perhaps? :rolleyes:

Uh, I believe we're all getting paid. The trick is getting paid more. You want to continue Moakist "constructive engagement." Peace at any price. Fair enough.

I do not. I'm tired of being exploited on a one-way street management uses when it wants to, and ignores when it doesn't.

You do nothing but tear people down. Anyone who has an original thought you try to brand with a label.

Give me one thing you have ever contributed to the pilot group, or even this board? I will give you a helpful hint, calling people DALPA operatives isn't it. And that's the thing with you, you are a spiteful, small minded poster, trying to paint a negative picture of everyone you disagree with.

There are a lot of really smart people that contribute to our group and on this board. I'm not that bright but I know one thing for damn sure, I'm smarter than you. And when you come on here and try to diminish their idea's by name calling and belittling their thoughts it should be called out for the BS it is.