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Carl Spackler 09-11-2014 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1725458)
So is Shiznet the NYC rep from a few years ago who led the charge in getting Roberts voted out? Then the NYC pilots voted him out. I have noticed that guy is in an ALPA. He seems like a good dude when I have talked to him, but lying even on the Internet is not cool.
Saying any more than I've said would out him and that's not right. There's plenty of reps that have been voted out and went straight to MEC admin positions.

Carl

forgot to bid 09-12-2014 03:04 AM
Domestic per diem = international per diem

index 09-12-2014 03:45 AM
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1725401)
Where's the outrage?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1725407)
I save my outrage for when it's deserved. Like what ALPA did to the TWA pilots. And for when ALPA tried to break the union of their own internal clerical workers. And when they backed the age 65 rule against the wishes of its members.

What do you save your outrage for PG?

Carl
Add to that list Lee Moak's recent absurd comments to Wall Street that:

ALPA pilots at the larger carriers already enjoy “mature, good contracts” already. And that radical overhauls aren’t in the cards.

or ALPA's support of allowing knives in the cabin!!!!

Delta was the first airline to come out against this ill-conceived idea. F/A unions were against it. CAPA was against it.

ALPA---for it! You just can't make this kind of stuff up folks. It would be funny if it weren't so downright scary that our NATIONAL union is that out of touch with reality!

What about ALPA's disastorous role in what has now become the Part 117 "rest" rules???

orvil 09-12-2014 04:56 AM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1725375)
Thanks man. I was thinking of you and your bride the other day after a beautiful unwinding of a derivative position that went as perfect as one could go. Hope you guys are well.

Carl
Sometimes life is just good.

Alan Shore 09-12-2014 05:09 AM
Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1725548)
Domestic per diem = international per diem
It does? Or are you saying it should?

DAWGS 09-12-2014 05:29 AM
Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1725154)
Sorry, but I disagree. I don't expect my rep to act as the puppet of the pilot group. I expect him to learn much more about the circumstances surrounding our careers and future prospects than I ever care to, and to use that knowledge to advance my career to the greatest extent possible and along the lines of my desires. To the extent that he does not meet my goals and/or expectations, I expect him either to adequately justify his actions or step aside.

That is the true essence of a representational democracy.
I actually agree with you. The problem is for this system to work we must have a way to measure the performance or results of the system. There is no way to gauge performance when all the measuring sticks are kept super top secret. My reps lost all credibility when they told me guys wants CDOs!! Really? So those (5% maybe??) of guys who want CDOs justify back dooring them in a TA? That is not a representational democracy. CDOs are just one good example.

I predict we will see CDOs (Split-duty) in this next TA. The reason....ALPA is not a representational democracy.

forgot to bid 09-12-2014 05:58 AM
Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1725578)
It does? Or are you saying it should?
It should be the same. I hear that from the former ER pilots turned 717 captains hat they spend more money on the 717 then the ER.

So I sayz change it.

Alan Shore 09-12-2014 06:04 AM
Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 1725584)
My reps lost all credibility when they told me guys wants CDOs!! Really? So those (5% maybe??) of guys who want CDOs justify back dooring them in a TA? That is not a representational democracy. CDOs are just one good example.
I have no idea how or why CDOs were part of that TA, and I'm certainly glad they were taken out. That said, the public survey that's going on through another website shows that almost 40% of guys responding are in favor of CDOs.

Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 1725584)
I predict we will see CDOs (Split-duty) in this next TA. The reason....ALPA is not a representational democracy.
I predict we will not, but if we do, I believe it will be because ALPA's survey showed a majority of pilots in favor.

Alan Shore 09-12-2014 06:06 AM
Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1725596)
It should be the same. I hear that from the former ER pilots turned 717 captains hat they spend more money on the 717 then the ER.
It certainly is true that int'l guys are fed pretty regularly while on duty, thus reducing the need for buying food during that time. That said, a meal in Paris or Rome is typically much more expensive than in Fargo or Birmingham.

I personally like the notion of indexing per diem to the layover city.

forgot to bid 09-12-2014 06:18 AM
Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1725600)
It certainly is true that int'l guys are fed pretty regularly while on duty, thus reducing the need for buying food during that time. That said, a meal in Paris or Rome is typically much more expensive than in Fargo or Birmingham.

I personally like the notion of indexing per diem to the layover city.
Well we eat mostly in the airports.


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