Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1725247)

That's NOT the true essence of a representational democracy Alan. That might be your opinion, but that's not describing a representational democracy.

You're right in that a rep needs to use his/her position to learn a lot about the issues, but that knowledge does NOT give them the right to vote however they wish. It is incumbent upon said rep to take his/her knowledge and educate the constituents and do the very best they can to persuade. If they can't persuade, they CANNOT vote against their constituents' views. Never. If they do, they're not reps.

Carl

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1725205)

Carl's back.
**** just got real.

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1725211)

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!

Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1725226)

Welcome back Carl. Good to see you! It was silly for what and the way you were banned.

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1725249)

Welcome back, Carl!

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1725202)

Now...the rest of the story.

This illustrates just one of our problems within DALPA. Shiznit, you were an elected rep, but were not re-elected. You were replaced by a rep that is not voting like a management puppet...which is exactly why the pilots in that base voted for him. But when this happens, DALPA makes sure they find a spot high up for you in the MEC administration. A line pilot that wants to "volunteer" on the MEC administration could not get the "volunteer" position you have shiznit. And THAT'S the problem. The pilots routinely toss out reps in favor of reps who say they won't be puppets, but those reps who are tossed simply find their way back to DALPA in admin positions. Is there any wonder why we have this utterly dysfunctional relationship between reps and the MEC administration?

As I've said many times before, our problem is not with our reps. Even though I strongly disagree with the behavior of some of them (like Nestor), they either do the will of their pilots or they won't last long. The problem is our MEC administration. Donatelli and his team are a tremendous disappointment. He's running things every bit as top-down as did Moak and O'Malley, and he's doing so with a team of shiznits. Sad.

Carl

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1725362)

So, Carl, since EVERY base's pilots voted in favor of C2012, why weren't you there leading the charge to recall those elected reps who voted against it??

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1725362)

They clearly did NOT vote the will of their pilots.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1725394)

The reps' vote on TA2012 was to send it out to the members for a vote. Their votes were not yea or nay on the merits of TA2012.

Again, their votes were only to send it out to the members for a vote. I'm a big believer in sending everything out for memory rat.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1725401)

Then you admit your reps voted against your desires.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1725401)

You think it should have been sent out for a member vote, and they voted against doing just that. They didn't think the members should have a right to vote on it.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1725401)

Where's the outrage?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1725396)

Carl, welcome back!

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1725388)

Carl is back.......like a boss!

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1725202)

Now...the rest of the story.

This illustrates just one of our problems within DALPA. Shiznit, you were an elected rep, but were not re-elected. You were replaced by a rep that is not voting like a management puppet...which is exactly why the pilots in that base voted for him. But when this happens, DALPA makes sure they find a spot high up for you in the MEC administration. A line pilot that wants to "volunteer" on the MEC administration could not get the "volunteer" position you have shiznit. And THAT'S the problem. The pilots routinely toss out reps in favor of reps who say they won't be puppets, but those reps who are tossed simply find their way back to DALPA in admin positions. Is there any wonder why we have this utterly dysfunctional relationship between reps and the MEC administration?

As I've said many times before, our problem is not with our reps. Even though I strongly disagree with the behavior of some of them (like Nestor), they either do the will of their pilots or they won't last long. The problem is our MEC administration. Donatelli and his team are a tremendous disappointment. He's running things every bit as top-down as did Moak and O'Malley, and he's doing so with a team of shiznits. Sad.

Carl