Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1717446)

Here if the ALV is 75 hours, you get paid 78:43, +10 X days in addition. That's 17 days off for 78:43. Which means 13 on call days. That ain't chump change, and certainly more than a third of your example.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1717481)

There is no point in trying to make sense out of what Carl writes. As he gets more and more desperate to have some relevance somewhere, he just pumps up his story. It really is whack a mole; you debunk one story, he creates another. After some period of time he brings back story number one and claims he proved it simply because he said he proved it. There is no logic, there is no data, only propaganda. He is just a slick propagandist with no sense of integrity or ethics, he simply spews out whatever he thinks will aid his cause.

You can try to debunk his stories one by one, but it doesn't matter. For instance in this silly story he claims the NC threatened to resign. What he fails to mention is that if this occurred any MEC member worth a damn would simply say, "see you later" and get a new committee. Are there only four guys in the whole pilot group who can negotiate a contract? He can't even complete a train of thought to a logical conclusion, he just makes his accusation and then hopes some dupe buys it without really thinking it out.

In the end, he has only one idea. He thinks the representatives that were voted by the Delta pilots to the MEC are too weak and too stupid to represent the pilots. They are easily fooled by lame tricks and silly threats into buying into some evil agenda. Then the Delta pilots are too weak and too stupid to represent themselves. He can't accept their membership ratification vote and invents new excuses every week about why they voted for their contract.

Carl's answer is simple. Only he and his webboard friends have the guts and knowledge to make decisions for all of us, and so he needs to circumvent all our democratic processes and just do what he says. The tyranny of the minority. Of course he knows this will never happen, he is too much of a coward to ever actually have to stand up for a decision. He just sits behind his keyboard and barks out his tough guy stance. If he actually had to stand up and make a real decision he would wet his pants.

Therefore, he will continue to spew out his propaganda, day after day, week after week. Don't look for logic or consistency. Only look for a coward making himself look big behind a keyboard. Then you will truly understand his agenda.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1717466)

Spin it however you want Alan, but what happened after C2012 was a house cleaning of the MEC administration after the "process" they followed during C2012. Given the behavior of those individuals, that house cleaning was a proper and necessary use of our reps' power.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1717470)

Like I said earlier Alan, you did a good job initially of trying to portray yourself as an unbiased student of fact and history. Now you just seem to channel the alfaromeo's around here.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1717470)

What happened during those closed sessions is a matter of recollection to those that were there. YMMV.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1717502)

Pot meet kettle.

Such a brave soul carrying management's water under a fantasy name.

Jerry

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1717556)

Speaking of propaganda: the 717s aren't coming, plan B is way worse and they have a plan B oh yeah buddy it's a bad plan B too, etc.

People voted yes because the sales job caused them to doubt their resolve.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1716514)

They said Delta regionals are unsafe because of CDO's, had to respond to that, since this is a public forum.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1716857)

I don't recall any of us saying that Mesabah. Could you point me to that post?

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1717294)

By association, all CDO's are unsafe, DCI does CDO's, therefore the flying is unsafe...

...Not trolling by the way,

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1717452)

Thanks for the great explanation, Raptor. It sounds as though you get a fixed amount of value for each vacation, i.e., 6:00 per day, but your work rules give you a ton of flexibility on where and how to use that, assuming that you are savvy enough to understand and use them to their fullest advantage.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1717457)

I'll second the thanks, Raptor. That's great info- we are really lagging behind you guys in that area.

That being said, I don't ever want to go back to line bidding! It would be nice to monetize the amount of savings that gives the company compared to you guys.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1717657)

I think it's clear now that DALPA didn't show the whole picture when comparing the FDX vacation system versus ours.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1717647)

Blah, blah, blah, blah, you are a tough guy and I am weak and stupid. I get it. At least I stepped up and tried my best. In the last 6 years you have gotten 4000+ shares of Delta stock and a 60+% increase in compensation due in some small part to my efforts. What has your contribution been? To cry that it is not enough for you. I get it, you think being a cry baby is a valuable contribution because you can constantly whine about other people never working hard enough for you while you sit back and do nothing except tear things down with your laughable DPA efforts. Profiles in courage.

Maybe I am a tremendous failure, all my efforts were for naught. I did my best and worked my butt off. If that is all that goes on my grave stone I can live with that.