Here if the ALV is 75 hours, you get paid 78:43, +10 X days in addition. That's 17 days off for 78:43. Which means 13 on call days. That ain't chump change, and certainly more than a third of your example.

Thanks for the great explanation, Raptor. It sounds as though you get a fixed amount of value for each vacation, i.e., 6:00 per day, but your work rules give you a ton of flexibility on where and how to use that, assuming that you are savvy enough to understand and use them to their fullest advantage.

I'll second the thanks, Raptor. That's great info- we are really lagging behind you guys in that area.

That being said, I don't ever want to go back to line bidding! It would be nice to monetize the amount of savings that gives the company compared to you guys.

Here's what I asked you apologists to re-read:

This isn't for you guys because you're incapable of independent thought. This is for the lurkers and guys who think for themselves. What I wrote above is absolutely correct. Two of the four negotiators (members of the MEC administration) were removed right after C2012. Strategic planning guys (members of the MEC administration) were removed right after C2012. Communications guy (members of the MEC administration) were removed right after C2012. The MEC chairman (member of the MEC administration) was removed right after C2012. My statement above stands. But do continue to refer to my statements as false. It does your credibility a ton of good here. :rolleyes:

Carl

Spin it however you want Alan, but what happened after C2012 was a house cleaning of the MEC administration after the "process" they followed during C2012. Given the behavior of those individuals, that house cleaning was a proper and necessary use of our reps' power.

Carl

Like I said earlier Alan, you did a good job initially of trying to portray yourself as an unbiased student of fact and history. Now you just seem to channel the alfaromeo's around here.

What happened during those closed sessions is a matter of recollection to those that were there. YMMV.

Carl

There is no point in trying to make sense out of what Carl writes. As he gets more and more desperate to have some relevance somewhere, he just pumps up his story. It really is whack a mole; you debunk one story, he creates another. After some period of time he brings back story number one and claims he proved it simply because he said he proved it. There is no logic, there is no data, only propaganda. He is just a slick propagandist with no sense of integrity or ethics, he simply spews out whatever he thinks will aid his cause.

You can try to debunk his stories one by one, but it doesn't matter. For instance in this silly story he claims the NC threatened to resign. What he fails to mention is that if this occurred any MEC member worth a damn would simply say, "see you later" and get a new committee. Are there only four guys in the whole pilot group who can negotiate a contract? He can't even complete a train of thought to a logical conclusion, he just makes his accusation and then hopes some dupe buys it without really thinking it out.

In the end, he has only one idea. He thinks the representatives that were voted by the Delta pilots to the MEC are too weak and too stupid to represent the pilots. They are easily fooled by lame tricks and silly threats into buying into some evil agenda. Then the Delta pilots are too weak and too stupid to represent themselves. He can't accept their membership ratification vote and invents new excuses every week about why they voted for their contract.

Carl's answer is simple. Only he and his webboard friends have the guts and knowledge to make decisions for all of us, and so he needs to circumvent all our democratic processes and just do what he says. The tyranny of the minority. Of course he knows this will never happen, he is too much of a coward to ever actually have to stand up for a decision. He just sits behind his keyboard and barks out his tough guy stance. If he actually had to stand up and make a real decision he would wet his pants.

Therefore, he will continue to spew out his propaganda, day after day, week after week. Don't look for logic or consistency. Only look for a coward making himself look big behind a keyboard. Then you will truly understand his agenda.

Pot meet kettle.

Such a brave soul carrying management's water under a fantasy name.

Jerry

This actually clears up a small amount of the confusion for me regarding some of your posts.

The problem for me has apparently been not understanding what you deem to be the MEC administration. The MEC Chairman, I agree completely that he is part of the administration. Negotiating Committee members, Strategic Planning Committee members, Communications Committee members have all been committee members in my mind and not the MEC administration. Otherwise a DPAC Committee member or a Scheduling Committee member or a Contract Administration Committee member or an R&I Committee member or a P2P Committee member or a Membership Committee member or a Safety Committee member or a Training Committee member or an IFOT Committee member, etc, etc would all be a part of the MEC administration. I think that's why some of your posts about the "administration" haven't made a lick of sense to me. You're talking about committee members too when you say "the administration". I thought you were talking about the MEC Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Treasurer, Secretary and the 2 MEC Administrators.

gzsg,

Don't let Purple Drank catch you saying that. :rolleyes: