Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1729715)

The perception now is a vast majority of pilots do not want CDOs (I certainly don't) but say the survey shows a majority of pilots actually want them? The company comes to the table demanding them.... Do you have more or less leverage with the company knowing exactly the percentage of pilots who want them?

To me it is exactly the same reason you wouldn't publish your complete strategy (assuming you were actually in a position to implement it and not just typing on a forum) until you were ready for action.

Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1729715)

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But yet, some think that publishing survey results here is "unfoolish"? I think everyone thinks that for the most part that pilots "think like they do" and that there is going to be this unified support on every issue that they hold dear like "CDOs." (We can see from the DPA survey that they aren't that unpopular over there).

The perception now is a vast majority of pilots do not want CDOs (I certainly don't) but say the survey shows a majority of pilots actually want them? The company comes to the table demanding them.... Do you have more or less leverage with the company knowing exactly the percentage of pilots who want them?

To me it is exactly the same reason you wouldn't publish your complete strategy (assuming you were actually in a position to implement it and not just typing on a forum) until you were ready for action.

Originally Posted by pilotjockey (Post 1729726)

the Detroit Pilots Association is attempting to wreck my career as badly as the alpo clan

displaying a contract survey for the company to see???? wth?
talk about shooting all of us in the foot right before we are about to negotiate a new contract with the company actually making record profits

ygbsm, the madness and idiocy of that group knows no bounds

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1729684)

Negotiations involve give and take. This example was unusual in that some of the give and take happened after some TA language was agreed to.

While the entire CDO part was a mess, the end result was very good. "What happened" is that reserve long callout remained where it had been since C2K at 12 hours. "What happened" was that the ADG kicks in Nov 1, effective forever from that point forward,

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1729690)

Do you believe our elected reps or negotiating committee is unintelligent?

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1729624)

I certainly agree on no erosion of QOL or productivity.

That said, I'm intrigued by Option B in Question 28 of the survey. This is the question on pay banding and asks if we would be in favor in a staffing neutral way, e.g., more vacation. This could give the pilot group fewer trips to Virginia Avenue in exchange for more vacation, saving us more negotiating dollars for $$$, while not reducing pilot staffing or requiring more work.

Thoughts on that?

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1729746)

"What happened" is that DALPA gave up the 13 hour callout it already secured to get rid of the CDOs it foolishly asked for.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1729746)

"What happened" is that the company got the benefits of the LOA immediately--and relief from our contractual protections--IMMEDIATELY. We have to wait 6 months to enjoy our upside.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1729746)

"What happened" is that DALPA gave up the 13 hour callout it already secured to get rid of the CDOs it foolishly asked for.

"What happened" is that the company got the benefits of the LOA immediately--and relief from our contractual protections--IMMEDIATELY. We have to wait 6 months to enjoy our upside.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1729751)

Why on earth would we do that?

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1729751)

My thoughts are, you are floating another lead trial balloon for DALPA.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1729751)

...only a hardened hack would attempt to spin the concession of longer freezes as a positive by promoting it as "fewer trips to Virginia Avenue."

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1729751)

You appear to have abandoned all pretense of being a neutral line pilot unaffiliated with DALPA. Or are you still trying to obfuscate your intent?

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1729747)

No.

So there must be some other explanation for their utter failure to deliver for the line pilot at the negotiating table.