We used to have a similar provision called Variable Minimum (VM) which could range from 4-6. But it was still not nearly as good as our ADG (Average Daily Guarantee). To summarize:

- VM did not apply to 30 hour layovers (only days in which you actually flew)

- VM did not apply to DH-only duty periods.

- Reserves did not get VM

ALL of the above apply to our ADG. In fact that is one of the greatest improvements I have seen to our contract in the 18+ years I have been here. How guys on this forum dismiss it or take it for granted astounds me.

Further, I have yet to see ANY trip flown anywhere where the F/A pay exceeds ours. On trips with lots of block time (high time turnarounds, international trips) they will often pay the same; in most instances of shorter trips they almost always pay less. They never pay more that I am aware of. If such rare occasions do in fact exist (and I am not sure that they do) then they are greatly outnumbered by the opposite.

I think this is normal for Delta...i.e "lets negotiate in private and keep it out of the papers at least until we **** each other off."

So, what's your answer if the company says "we aren't going to open until you agree to keep our opener confidential"?

Personally, I'd be cool with waiting them out while we rack up record profit sharing, but that's just me.

Well, because of the time value of money, showing the Company's opener would be like showing the opponent's poker hand....err...uh, wait. Significant improvements, ahem, uh industry decent contract is what we want, umm, yeah.

Change ADG to MDG and increase to 6. This is where we should be headed.

3 day trip. Day 1 6:30. Day 2 1:00. Day 3 7:50. ADG 15:45 current PWA.

Min day 5:15

Same trip 6:30+5:15+7:50=17:35 C2015

Hmmm...trial balloon on DALPA's excuse for failing again? I can hear it now: "Look guys, we may not lead the industry in any area, but we're in the middle, which equals...the world's greatest contract!"

Carl

They don't have that choice. Openers must be exchanged as part of the Section 6 process. Neither side has a right to demand preconditions to the exchange.

Carl

Again, if you don't like what is presented, vote no. It really is that simple. Read the TA for yourself, make your own decision and vote. I, like many others on here couldn't care less what you think because what is important to you is not necessarily important to me. A very wise FO once said to me, "I don't care about being paid the most, I want to be paid the longest.". Of course we all know the world revolves around you Carl.

Have you ever seen the Company Opener? Ever? I never have, and this is about my 6th contract. Heck, we didn't even get to vote on them until POS 1996.

The only one we saw bits and pieces of was 'Letter 46 and Letter 51' which were both done in the bankruptcy era and most of it was published in the USA Today.

We'd usually read it there prior to hearing about it from DALPA....:rolleyes:

We didn't hear about the company opening for zero percent raises in C2012 until after the vote! If we had heard that part first, no way it ever would have passed!

Look forward to your continuing efforts to excuse away Delta pilots not leading the industry.

Carl