Here's a new site with a lot of good info:

http://www.tafacts.com/

And also, http://www.Thehangar.forumchitchat.com/

Thanks Timbo, I've already digested that site.

So...is your head ready to explode? :D

I'm going to bed, got to get up early so I can swap all my trips to fly with LCA's!

Oh wait. :confused:

Well, if I don't get the swaps I want, I can always call in sick, right? :rolleyes:

Scambo,

(Bolded your comment). I'm here all week. :D

We need to bury this TA, and any MEC folks who supported it. It is an insult.

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I'm one of the admins on the "Delta Pilots Against the Contract 2015 TA" group on facebook. I was added as an admin on Monday to help keep up with all the add requests. We had 400ish pilots on there at the time, if I recall correctly. Tonight we just passed 2100, or about 17% of the DAL pilot group (we're trying to verify everyone is actually a DAL pilot when adding them).

Facebook really isn't ideal. A lot of our guys don't have it, more have it but are still unfamiliar, and it's actually a pretty poor system for having a forum-like discussion. Posts are ordered by whatever has been commented on most recently, and so some really important and well-written posts quickly fall out of sight.

I'd suggest starting with the Files link where you'll find the TA language, various NNPs, the several con papers (I wrote the Master Concession List but the Council 1 TA Summary is more comprehensive and includes both pros and cons), roadshow schedule, etc. If you go to the Photos link, it's mostly amusing memes people have come up with, but there are several video clips of Ranting Mike posted there. Otherwise, under Discussions, I'd suggest scrolling down and reading the ones with 30+ likes, they tend to be the most interesting ones (there are several with 100+).

That's for the hard work jungle

We've all seen DALPAs grievance ability. The company gets as much wiggle room as they need. Or want.

After believing the TA couldn't be any worse, I went through the info on that site and found out it was worse than I thought.


The link to that site should be sent to every Delta pilot.

"The Devil is in the Details" is certainly true in this TA, but you won't get the Details from the MEC, they are only going to talk about the 8% pay raise....:rolleyes:

What's the pay rate difference between a narrow body and a wide body? This TA is aimed at reducing required staffing, certainly in the F/O ranks, so before you get all giddy about that 8%, look a few A/E's into the future and see if you want to be stuck on that MD88 or 737 a few more years, NOT dropping LCA trips.:rolleyes:

Get the TA FACTS here, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly! http://www.tafacts.com/

Scouring the MEC site for info I came across this. Here is why there is a lack of trust, the secrecy continues. What did the P2P people have access to that I didn't? Why is there P2P confidential information?

This is from the transcript of their April conference call.

Questions and Answers

1. What did the Company’s opener consist of? It was conceptual in nature as was ours. We have costed out the company proposals and your MEC Reps have discussed and given direction to the Negotiators on the subjects brought up by the company. The rest of the discussion on Openers were P2P Confidential.

9. Are there any discussions going on with the company on Sick Leave or Productivity? The conference call discussion on this is P2P Confidential.

Trust but verify minus the verify.