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qball 06-21-2015 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 1911354)
Deserves a repost!

This is the key to scope circumvention, change the metrics. I am nervously awaiting the grievance settlement language. That is DONE and only requires the MEC chairman's signature. Why is it not released yet? That could amend the new contract before the ink is dry.

The grievance settlement language is in the TA.... even though we are told they were negotiated separately. Move the goalpost and suddenly the company is in compliance.

Flamer 06-21-2015 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 1911389)
The grievance settlement language is in the TA.... even though we are told they were negotiated separately. Move the goalpost and suddenly the company is in compliance.

Cool. In the settlement email they said there would be more to follow. Guess the ink was drying on both documents at the same time. Funny I don't remember them ever saying that though.

notEnuf 06-21-2015 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 1911389)
The grievance settlement language is in the TA.... even though we are told they were negotiated separately. Move the goalpost and suddenly the company is in compliance.

This could be true but then if we vote it down, it is not in the contract.

...leverage. C2012 is changed by MOU/settlement implementation. Surely the chairman wouldn't do that if the TA fails, unless he already has making him invested in the positive TA result. Where's the settlement language?

gzsg 06-21-2015 09:54 AM

Agreed. The question is just how much money we're talking about. Pay rates do not tell the whole story, until you consider what is being sold off to product those pay rates. Of the 8% the TA provides on July 1 of this year, I would estimate that roughly half is from selling scope, sick leave, and productivity. The 6% next year is almost totally from the PS swap, leaving us with about a 1% gain from vacation and CQ training pay increases. The 3% in the ensuing two years would be achieved anyway from 3 B. 4. if our fellow employees get as much as 3% in each of the next two years. IF UAL gets even a cost of living raise on time, even the 4% net we get this year will be achieved by C2012.

To be clear, the assumptions I'm using are that Delta's PTIX is at least $6B per year, and that it grants our fellow employees pay raises each year, as they have ever since emerging from BK.*

tunes 06-21-2015 10:34 AM

appears they are deleting facebook comments again

forgot to bid 06-21-2015 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1911486)
appears they are deleting facebook comments again

But the FB Pilots Against the TA is up to 2244 members and nothing gets deleted there. :D

scambo1 06-21-2015 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1911527)
But the FB Pilots Against the TA is up to 2244 members and nothing gets deleted there. :D

I'm pretty sure Nestor is a member of pilots against the TA.

Flamer 06-21-2015 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1911486)
appears they are deleting facebook comments again

Who doesn't like a little good old fashioned censorship.

They have lost their way.

Carl Spackler 06-21-2015 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1911549)
I'm pretty sure Nestor is a member of pilots against the TA.

Troubling posts aren't going to get to Donatelli on their own.

Carl

ghilis101 06-21-2015 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1911549)
I'm pretty sure Nestor is a member of pilots against the TA.

That's ok. a few p2p folks and a former communications guy (or NC?) as well. I hope theyre taking notes.


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