How about doing a company wide movement insted of LAX only?

 

I have yet to meet one pilot who is happy with the way their LAX or SLC REPS voted in favor of the TA. All feel it is a failure to represent their wishes that they conveyed via the survey, emails and phone calls.

 

I realize there all always more people who say they'll vote no than actually do, but the current tide of opinion seems unprecedented. I find it very hard to believe my LAX reps recieved a flood of calls calling for a yes vote.

 

Thanks! I will be contacting him shortly.

 

The SLC Capt rep used to be an ATL rep...and got booted from ATL and ended up in SLC. He was also a negotiator at some point in his Aplo career. And Ive been saying all along, any FO rep that voted yes for this is a sell out looking out for their own interests. That or they have no stones to stand up to the arrogant insiders. Follow the bread crumbs and you will see that 12500 plus pilots are being sold out by just a handful of guys that have their own vision and truly do not represent us. At least 11 of these guys need to be kicked back to the line and get a taste of reality.

 

It wasn't in the survey, either. Nor were LCA trip pulls.

This speaks to a massive failure of the strategic planning guys. They tried to include in the survey every single concession the company might want.

They knew full well the survey would never be released. As long as every possible concession was addressed on the survey, they could politically claim such-and-such concession wasn't "a priority" for pilots to retain.

They neglected to anticipate the company's moves. They were caught flat-footed, and are scrambling to recover.

A total failure by Harwood. He'll try to cover his incompetence by cramming this down our throats.

 

Could not agree more! It is a very small group of insiders that have taken over the process and are not working for the best interests of the Delta pilots. If pilots in LAX and SLC can put together a grass roots effort to rid ourselves of those who do not represent the pilots the balance of power will change and this TA and future give backs could be stopped. With today's social media, email, and smart phones this should not be that hard to accomplish. The majority feel not represented...we have the power...we just need to use it.

 

You're the guy who said management wouldn't try to change profit sharing. Your credibility here is shot.

 

Not happy with the way they voted, but am satisfied with their reasoning. My rep (SLC FO) emailed me back after I emailed him encouraging a no vote. I didn't expect a response due to him probably getting hundreds of emails. I won't put on here what his response was, but I will say I respect his right to vote as a representative of pilots and not as an individual concerning the TA.

Nothing will get this Yes C2012 voter to vote yes on C2015. I don't care what their reasoning was for voting yes, this TA is unacceptable. I'll gladly work under C2012 for another few years.

 

You're the guy who accused me of being an ALPA insider and a management insider, what does that do for your credibility?

My last post is easily verifiable and, you know, a fact so I'm not sure what my credibility has to do with it anyway.

By the way, I'm an on the fence voter who wants more information (about scope and LCA drops) before making a decision. Shouting down anyone who tries to bring facts to the conversation isn't particularly appealing to me. Maybe I'm alone in my distaste for divisive politics but I doubt it.

A few questions...

1. How does the international scope compare to what we are already doing? What we are projected to do?

2. What percentage of rotations will be removed from the FO bid package?

3. If we send the TA back what will happen? I know what the options are, I want to know what people think will actually happen.