Change in PTIX formula?
06-16-2015, 12:02 PM
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Change in PTIX formula?
Why did they change this. After reading something from ALPA, I get the feeling the change us actually bad for us. I don't understand it. Does it let Delta manipulate our profit sharing payouts going forward?
06-16-2015, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Why did they change this. After reading something from ALPA, I get the feeling the change us actually bad for us. I don't understand it. Does it let Delta manipulate our profit sharing payouts going forward?
Where are you getting the idea they can manipulate the payouts? The only thing that has changed is the threshold from a 10% payout to 20%. It increased from $2.5B to $6.0B. As far as I've read, they dates and method of payment remain unchanged.
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06-16-2015, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
Where are you getting the idea they can manipulate the payouts? The only thing that has changed is the threshold from a 10% payout to 20%. It increased from $2.5B to $6.0B. As far as I've read, they dates and method of payment remain unchanged.
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That is incorrect. There is a change to the way PTIX is calculated. This is totally separate from the 2.5B to 6.0B 20% profit threshold.
I have talked about this with a few guys and it basically waters down our PS amount. The question is how much? I have heard figures ranging from 1-3%. I don't really know if this is 1-3% of our total PS pool or a 1-3% reduction on our actual PS number. For example last year was about 16%. So would it mean that number is lowered to anywhere from 15-13%?
I have no idea if this will allow them to manipulate the PS pool. Just another concession buried in this TA.
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06-16-2015, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
That is incorrect. There is a change to the way PTIX is calculated. This is totally separate from the 2.5B to 6.0B 20% profit threshold.
I have talked about this with a few guys and it basically waters down our PS amount. The question is how much? I have heard figures ranging from 1-3%. I don't really know if this is 1-3% of our total PS pool or a 1-3% reduction on our actual PS number. For example last year was about 16%. So would it mean that number is lowered to anywhere from 15-13%?
Just another concession buried in this TA.
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I have talked about this with a few guys and it basically waters down our PS amount. The question is how much? I have heard figures ranging from 1-3%. I don't really know if this is 1-3% of our total PS pool or a 1-3% reduction on our actual PS number. For example last year was about 16%. So would it mean that number is lowered to anywhere from 15-13%?
Just another concession buried in this TA.
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That's interesting because I have the entire TA in my possession that shows the changes and it says nothing about this.
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06-16-2015, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Why did they change this. After reading something from ALPA, I get the feeling the change us actually bad for us. I don't understand it. Does it let Delta manipulate our profit sharing payouts going forward?
Nice that management gets theirs first, huh?
06-16-2015, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
That's interesting because I have the entire TA in my possession that shows the changes and it says nothing about this.
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06-16-2015, 12:53 PM
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Yes its in there but in very legalese language. Its also one of the bullets in the initial dalpa bullet paper. Definitly should have been in the begotiators notepad on compensation. I wonder what else their not telling us.
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Thats right. Executive Compensation will now be calculated before our Profit Sharing; reducing our Profit Sharing. You can't make this stuff up.
Do some quick napkin math. How much do you think the top 30 executives @ Delta earn? RA alone makes what, close to $15 Mil with dozens of others hauling in north of 7 figures. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes $50,000,000 - $75,000,000 out of the pool which results in tens of millions less per year in our pockets. Another hidden turd.
EXECS GET THEIRS FIRST
Thats right. Executive Compensation will now be calculated before our Profit Sharing; reducing our Profit Sharing. You can't make this stuff up.
Do some quick napkin math. How much do you think the top 30 executives @ Delta earn? RA alone makes what, close to $15 Mil with dozens of others hauling in north of 7 figures. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes $50,000,000 - $75,000,000 out of the pool which results in tens of millions less per year in our pockets. Another hidden turd.
06-16-2015, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
That's interesting because I have the entire TA in my possession that shows the changes and it says nothing about this.
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10. “Pre-tax income” (PTIX) means, for any:
a. the calendar year 2015, the Company’s consolidated pre-tax income calculated in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles in the United States and as reported in the Company’s public securities filings but excluding: a) all asset write downs related to long term assets, b) gains or losses with respect to employee equity securities, c) gains or losses with respect to extraordinary, one-time or non-recurring events (including without limitation one-time transition or integration costs incurred in connection with the merger of the Company and Northwest Airlines Corporation during the two year period following the merger),, and d) expense accrued with respect to the profit sharing plan., and
b. the calendar year beginning on January 1, 2016, and each calendar year thereafter, the Company’s consolidated pre-tax income calculated in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles in the United States and as reported in the Company’s public securities filings but excluding: a) all asset write downs related to long term assets, b) gains or losses with respect to special, unusual, or nonrecurring items, and c) expense accrued with respect to any employee profit sharing plan, program or similar arrangement.
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