Woofers thanks for posting your rationale for voting yes, as it takes some courage to throw yourself into the pit to face a large opposition.

With that said, I hope that you do realize this affects your QOL much more than any of us can comprehend. Less widebody opportunities and lower paying replacement aircraft (739, 321, e190) are driving pilot wages in the wrong direction, and the higher TLV and LCA bidding will have a detrimental effect on everyone. If you are a senior FO, a lot of the trips youre bidding will disappear. Someone ran them for the md88 in ATL and found that 90 percent of LCA trips had weekends off. 90 percent. If you are a CA, and since youve been furloughed are probably not super senior, you can expect that many of these "400k FOs" who are senior to you are going to upgrade above you and push you down.

Overall a decent argument, but it appears your ves vote is partly due to some resentment of FOs who bid with LCAs and for that I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to spite them. Were all in this together, everybody wins this way. We have lots of losers (every pilot) under the new TA.

 

Well there you go.

Carl

 

Of u are an fo. You will make more money and have better trips iver the next 3 years if the TA fails

 

I thought it was going to be a vastly improved recovery. IMO they could have gotten that easy. Even that would have been a slight negative to FO's at large (less green slips because of the ability to use them for recovery, etc) but that could have been offset by a higher vacation day (3:45 to 4 hours pay and credit) but that ball was dropped, recovered by the other team while we fell down and watched them score.

Instead of reasonable recovery, which wouldn't have been nearly as big of a concession, we let them go nuckear on us and just vaporize the trips completely.

 

you don't like profit sharing, because you want your airline income to be stable?

well....ive been in the airline industry a good while, and if I have realized anything at all....it is if you are in the airline business for 'stable' income.....you picked the wrong occupation.

FOs making 400K a year. Ah yes, the straw man. Did you ever stop and think....if the company would simply adequately staff the categories and bases where these 'abuses' are occurring they could fix their own problem?

 

From a corporation point of view PS is more stable of a mechanism for pay than guaranteed rates in Section 3s.

 

Woofers, good on you for stating your case, at least you are not blindly following what the MEC told you to think.

You do know why you were furloughed, right? You did see all the RJ growth while you were furloughed, right?

Have you read any of the explanations from the No voting LEC reps, in regards to our JV Scope, and what affect switching from equal seats, to equal block hours could have on you, if you ever want to fly bigger, higher paying airplanes, across the world?

You already got to experience what can happen with weak Domestic Scope language when you were furloughed, now you want to experience what weaker International Scope language could do to your next seat? Poof, gone.

I hope you like flying a 737 or A321 around for the rest of your career.

The good news? Delta will be making HUGE profits when they outsource more of our flying!

But you don't even want a piece of those Profits? Really?

 

Dear Woofers,
You mentioned RJ thing, well wait and see another gigantic drop in scope.
If C15 is passed nothing stops the company from replacing B767's across the Atlantic with B737's. RA stated many time that we should have taken all 100 -900 as ER's, not just 50.

You might be restoring profession in those cockpits and at those rates very soon! Watching AF A380 buzzing by with thousands of Delta tickets in them!

 

I gave a recurrent ride today and the FO said - "I'd take a 20% pay cut if they fix the scope".

 

ftb......anyone who is half awake.....and has been employed in this business for any length of time (excluding perhaps airline management) will eventually come to the unavoidable conclusion it is not an economically stable industry.

never has been....and is not likely to become one.

we have always struggled coordinating the intervals of 'good times' with the intervals of amendable dates for our working agreements.

More than once, after being locked into a concessionary pwa....and with economic conditions improving....dalpa has approached delta management with overtures to modify the pwa given the improving economic performance.

and more than once...we have literally been told "a contract is a contract".

otoh...the company has sought...and almost uniformly received our 'cooperation' to modify the pwa on the downside of economic and demographic cycles.

Profit sharing is not some kind of undesirable variable in our compensation.

It is probably THE most intelligent compensation device EVER arrived at in our PWA. It is the most effective solution to the ebb and flow of the economic performance of delta.....and the amendable interval of our working agreements.

will profit sharing diminish in the future?...absolutely. will it in all probability return at some future point? yes. And this return will arrive with no need to hear the words..."a contract, is a contract."

It is curious, an individual who would vote yes on this ta...and advertises entrepreneurial success that comes with being an equity holder in a business activity......would then seek to diminish....and...eventually eliminate the ownership position profit sharing represents at delta not only just for the pilots....but ALL the employees.