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Old 06-28-2015, 11:05 AM
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Clearly the TA will fail if the voting is not rigged.

Don't think for a second the MEC officers and the negotiating committee are going to resign.

They are completely out of touch and filled with entitlement.

If the yes voting MEC members refuse to recall them, we can call special LEC meetings to recall the them.

Be prepared to attend meetings or sign a proxy.

We will get the C2015 we were promised.
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Clearly the TA will fail if the voting is not rigged.

Don't think for a second the MEC officers and the negotiating committee are going to resign.

They are completely out of touch and filled with entitlement.

If the yes voting MEC members refuse to recall them, we can call special LEC meetings to recall the them.

Be prepared to attend meetings or sign a proxy.

We will get the C2015 we were promised.
While I hope that you are correct that C2015 will fail and the sentiment certainly is different this time, but you have to remember that there are a good many pilots that a. just go by the unions recommendation and b. go home and vote yes while beating their chests that they voted no.

C2012 passed by the same margin that every TA has passed by and as usual you can't find a pilot that voted for it.
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:12 AM
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it will pass.....55/45. with 29,000 votes cast.
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO View Post
a good many pilots that a. just go by the unions recommendation and b. go home and vote yes while beating their chests that they voted no.

C2012 passed by the same margin that every TA has passed by and as usual you can't find a pilot that voted for it.
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it will pass.....55/45. with 29,000 votes cast.

As predicted a month ago.
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO View Post

C2012 passed by the same margin that every TA has passed by and as usual you can't find a pilot that voted for it.
What? Piles of guys right here and that you meet on the line admit to voting for C2012??
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:34 AM
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I voted yes, c2012. Not this time! No for me.
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Old 06-28-2015, 11:40 AM
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Yes for C2012 and everything else. No way this time.
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Old 06-28-2015, 12:12 PM
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What? Piles of guys right here and that you meet on the line admit to voting for C2012??
I guess I should have said right after it closed for c2012. If you went in the pilot lounge and asked around the ratio of basically 60/40 just didn't add up.

I counted. I have 22 Delta pilot phone numbers in my cell phone. I texted each of them. 3 are voting yes (2 are in management positions and 1 is a union guy) 1 doesn't know yet and 18 are No voters ranging in seniority from 747 Capt to 717 FO. So by that sampling it should fail, however I'm not going to bet the farm on it.
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO View Post
I guess I should have said right after it closed for c2012. If you went in the pilot lounge and asked around the ratio of basically 60/40 just didn't add up.

I counted. I have 22 Delta pilot phone numbers in my cell phone. I texted each of them. 3 are voting yes (2 are in management positions and 1 is a union guy) 1 doesn't know yet and 18 are No voters ranging in seniority from 747 Capt to 717 FO. So by that sampling it should fail, however I'm not going to bet the farm on it.
That is actually a better sampling than the DPA exit poll. Your sample is pretty random and covers many seniorities.

The problem with polling is it doesn't pick up the quiet Yes, just want to get along group.

I know that I will work until the last day of voting to educate and distribute information. If you think you are winning, you've lost. Stay hungry.
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Old 06-28-2015, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO View Post
While I hope that you are correct that C2015 will fail and the sentiment certainly is different this time, but you have to remember that there are a good many pilots that a. just go by the unions recommendation and b. go home and vote yes while beating their chests that they voted no.

C2012 passed by the same margin that every TA has passed by and as usual you can't find a pilot that voted for it.
Because once every pilot gets home and sees that he could get paid a little more by voting yes, they do. They just want to save face in front of everyone else. TA will pass, 48% of our pilots are 55 and older. Gotta stuff the mattress!!
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