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Old 07-09-2015 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have to go to work. I don't have time to try and look up the NWA and Delta numbers. I can tell you the total cost per pilot in 2014 was 261,000 and in 2004 it was 305,000 at Delta and 234,000 at NWA. I suspect the revenue will be more per pilot today. Keep in mind however in 2004 the cheap part of the list was furloughed at both NWA and Delta.
Is this the same study that shows SWA pilots taking an average cut of $16,000/year in 2012? A lot of those numbers are very suspicious.
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Old 07-09-2015 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I doubt they would beat us fairly easily on W2. If the forum numbers on profit prove to be true between the PS and higher DC we will be well above them looking at our 737 rates. We have copilots making over 300,000.
Not for long...
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Old 07-09-2015 | 06:59 AM
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SF, you're kidding right?

SWA still has lines of time, touching trips, higher vacation pay, ZERO code share/JV, and oh yeah... ZERO SL verification.

But some how we're WAY better...
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Old 07-09-2015 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Think about 42 hours and three weeks off for a week of vacation.
How is that better than 23 hours and 4 days off for a week of vacation?

Wait, what?
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Old 07-09-2015 | 09:50 AM
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Edit: Here is SWA's vacation. Nice and better then ours but nothing like posted above. Crew Skeds can also split trips touching vacations to keep you working the part outside the vacation period.

First, that product evaluates the pay for the days WITHIN the vacation block, but does not attempt to evaluate the Vacation Overlap pay. While this is a piece of the solution, it’s not complete: within a 7-day block, you will never be paid less than 26.25 TFP (trips pulled or 3.75 TFP/day, whichever is greater), and you’ll never be paid more than 30 hours of flying, plus deadheads and rigs. In practice, about 36 TFP is the most you can possibly get during the 7 day period, and about 32 TFP (i.e. a dense 4-day) is the most you’re likely to encounter
Current averag line at SWA is 12.3 days paying 87 TFP.
I'm Sorry, but your info is incorrect.

Crew Skeds cannot "split trips touching vacations to keep you working the part outside the vacation period." unless you want them to. At SWA you have the option to either: drop all pairings touching the vacation, drop only the pairings touching the beginning of the vacation or, drop only the pairings touching the end of the vacation.

My last vacation paid 31 TFP after dropping ALL pairings touching it and gave me 19 consecutive days off. Vacation pulls are routinely 40TFP or better if you know the contract well enough to bid for the maximum credit pulled or incorporate a program called swaptimizer to do it for you.

Current August lines average 97 Trips For Pay across all bases. August lines average 18 days off across all bases at SWA.
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Old 07-09-2015 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
SF, you're kidding right?

SWA still has lines of time, touching trips, higher vacation pay, ZERO code share/JV, and oh yeah... ZERO SL verification.

But some how we're WAY better...
No, he's not kidding. It's that Delta pilot superiority complex that some hold here. Hard to explain and impossible to justify...but it's sure there by a minority of the true cult members.

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Old 07-09-2015 | 10:09 AM
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No, he's not kidding. It's that Delta pilot superiority complex that some hold here. Hard to explain and impossible to justify...but it's sure there by a minority of the true cult members.

Carl
SWA's scope is so good they are doing 100% of their international widebody flying!
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Old 07-09-2015 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by shoelu
I'm Sorry, but your info is incorrect.

Crew Skeds cannot "split trips touching vacations to keep you working the part outside the vacation period." unless you want them to. At SWA you have the option to either: drop all pairings touching the vacation, drop only the pairings touching the beginning of the vacation or, drop only the pairings touching the end of the vacation.

My last vacation paid 31 TFP after dropping ALL pairings touching it and gave me 19 consecutive days off. Vacation pulls are routinely 40TFP or better if you know the contract well enough to bid for the maximum credit pulled or incorporate a program called swaptimizer to do it for you.

Current August lines average 97 Trips For Pay across all bases. August lines average 18 days off across all bases at SWA.
Thanks for being here shoelu. Correcting the misinformation here can be a daunting task. Some folks are absolutely wed to the notion that SWA's contract is inferior to all things Delta.

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Old 07-09-2015 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
SWA's scope is so good they are doing 100% of their international widebody flying!
Too embarrassing for words.

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Old 07-09-2015 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
SWA's scope is so good they are doing 100% of their international widebody flying!
And 100% of their domestic flying.

And 100% of their international flying. Hey, it may not be much but at least it's theirs!
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