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Old 07-19-2015, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane View Post
The problem is you cannot strictly talk about the loss of monies without talking about the whole deal. We do not have a "line item veto."

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Everybody has a line item veto. One issue voters have them and there are lots of different ones. How many times have we read "If we don't get XXX, I'm voting no"? That is a defacto line item veto.

I get what you're saying though. Sorry, but I believe it when the dALPA guys say that pay pay pay was at the top of the list in the survey. (Standing by for incoming) and that many of the other things were not as strongly advocated. They had to make choices. This is not a pro TA missive either. What concerns me that going forward is that NOTHING is negotiable in the minds of many. Contrary to what His Royal Highness Carl says, compromise and concession are one in the same on these boards.

I know I am arguing semantics.
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:31 AM
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These guys complaining about "lost monies" (is that different then "lost money", or just more pompous-sounding?) are being disingenuous when they fail to acknowledge "gained QOL" (and possibly "gained leverage") as a part of the equation.

There were "opportunity costs" of foregoing NA15. But these were more than offset by "opportunity benefits." That's why it failed.

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Old 07-19-2015, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez View Post
Everybody has a line item veto. One issue voters have them and there are lots of different ones. How many times have we read "If we don't get XXX, I'm voting no"? That is a defacto line item veto.

Actually that's the exact opposite of a line-item veto.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto


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Old 07-19-2015, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy View Post
Actually that's the exact opposite of a line-item veto.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto


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Old 07-19-2015, 02:22 PM
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Man, you got "Get off my lawn" written all over you.......
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Old 07-19-2015, 02:35 PM
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Man, you got "Get off my lawn" written all over you.......
Not really. I just don't like Wikipedia because it has been a source of bad gouge.
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez View Post
Not really. I just don't like Wikipedia because it has been a source of bad gouge.
Doesn't matter what Wikipedia says, it's the opposite of a line item Veto....
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Old 07-19-2015, 03:02 PM
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Wikipedia-free version:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...ne-item%20veto

https://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/line-item_veto


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Originally Posted by GucciBoy View Post
Sorry, auburn doesn't know xxxx, it's gotta be Clemson.edu.












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Originally Posted by cornbeef007 View Post
Doesn't matter what Wikipedia says, it's the opposite of a line item Veto....
Yeah OK, but the point is that there are a lot of "non starters" on here that are in effect a line item veto. We can disagree on this if you want, I really don't care. If you want to argue the point, that's OK too.
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