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buckleyboy 07-28-2015 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1939246)
Since I doubt you'll see another TA for at least six months, you can compare what the ALPA guys said would happen if the recent TA was turned down, as opposed to what Team No said, and see whose predictions proved more accurate -- then going forward, you might listen to those who were right.

Certainly an easy prediction about timing when one side has the power to self-fulfill their own (or their sugar daddy's) prophesy, don'tcha think?

Carl Spackler 07-28-2015 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 1939156)
Btw and fwiw....this had always been the position in Carl Spackler's "opinions", both generally and on any single issue re: TA1. If he didn't already have a sig line it would be "Read the contract".

Thanks for remembering that. It's funny how the ALPAholics are now coming after me for lying and only highlighting one side, when I must have said 50 times: "Everything you need to know is in the actual TA language. Read the actual language."

Turns out, a lot of pilots did just that.

Carl

newKnow 07-28-2015 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1939246)
Since I doubt you'll see another TA for at least six months, you can compare what the ALPA guys said would happen if the recent TA was turned down, as opposed to what Team No said, and see whose predictions proved more accurate -- then going forward, you might listen to those who were right.

So far, the unofficial spokesperson for Team No (gzsg) is 0 for 2. He said we'd have another TA within 48 hours, and he said the E190s were here to stay.

JMO.

DM,

Team No said we would be screwed if we voted in the TA. Sixty-five percent of us agreed.

That's all that really matters.

Team ALPA might want to listen to us.



It's funny how you want to make gzsg the Team No spokesperson when a lot of us disagreed with his predictions.

Why don't you take hockey, Carl, Denny, Ferd's and others predictions? I bet if you answered truthfully you might find out why the TA failed so badly.



Hint: You hi lighted the stats that suited you (gzsg: 0-2) and ignored the ones that didn't (Hockey, Carl, et al.: 8-8). Figuratively, you made 80% look like 0%.

The above is why the TA failed and why the people you support shouldn't be listened to, because that's what they did, too.

RetiredFTS 07-28-2015 06:51 PM

Team ALPA spent $750K+ of our money for what?

ImTumbleweed 07-28-2015 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by RetiredFTS (Post 1939343)
Team ALPA spent $750K+ of our money for what?

They spent it on Doug and the FPL guys posting here....being drama queens. (and let's not forget the sailings...who want to get back in the FPL teet).

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Purple Drank 07-28-2015 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by RetiredFTS (Post 1939343)
Team ALPA spent $750K+ of our money for what?

750k is Dalpa fuzzy math. Not even Dug is debating that the real number is far, far more than that.

forgot to bid 07-28-2015 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1939246)
Since I doubt you'll see another TA for at least six months, you can compare what the ALPA guys said would happen if the recent TA was turned down, as opposed to what Team No said, and see whose predictions proved more accurate -- then going forward, you might listen to those who were right.

So far, the unofficial spokesperson for Team No (gzsg) is 0 for 2. He said we'd have another TA within 48 hours, and he said the E190s were here to stay.

JMO.

In six months, as long as we are not under ta 2015 then I'm happy.

scambo1 07-28-2015 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Doug Madsen (Post 1939246)
Since I doubt you'll see another TA for at least six months, you can compare what the ALPA guys said would happen if the recent TA was turned down, as opposed to what Team No said, and see whose predictions proved more accurate -- then going forward, you might listen to those who were right.

So far, the unofficial spokesperson for Team No (gzsg) is 0 for 2. He said we'd have another TA within 48 hours, and he said the E190s were here to stay.

JMO.

Team LA says the company would like to negotiate now.

Team Delta pilots aka team NO would like to delay that until we have an opportunity to allow the various local teams an opportunity to re-allocate and re-vet their team captains.

My guess some of those new team captains will have a say in who the coaching staff will be.

Then team Delta pilots aka team NO will negotiate in good faith on behalf of the delta pilots.

Doug, you can sit on the bench but thanks for being on the side of team Delta pilots.

forgot to bid 07-28-2015 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by RetiredFTS (Post 1939343)
Team ALPA spent $750K+ of our money for what?

To move dpa closer to replacing alpa? Which I guess would end alpa national.

So they spent 750k to end alpa?

forgot to bid 07-28-2015 07:15 PM

Ha.

Team Yes vs Team Delta Pilots.

Good job Team Yes for not thinking that through.


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