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Way to go, Sailing. It is completely obvious you willingly chose to overlook this totally on-point, honest post that speaks to your concern in the very first sentence, yet demonstrates why your viewpoint is so off the mark (as usual)...
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1939489)
The TA is being used as an opportunity by the diehard DPA guys.
(BUT) This opportunity is being facilitated by the Alpa guys hanging on to their seats. If each LEC would allow their membership to go the DALPA /Alpa route of going thru the recalls and re votes, the DPA opportunity is gone. It is up to each LEC to choose. I believe several yes to the TA guys will keep their seats. Some clearly NEED to go. If the recalls are stonewalled, that, in and of itself, is the DPA opportunity. This is about delta pilot representation and the best possible contract. We were lied to, plain and simple. We were not honestly represented, plain and simple. This is the opportunity the Delta MEC is fostering for the DPA. As FTB so concisely noted, Alpa was brought down by an $800k sell job.:confused: if that happens, then yes, it's going to be awhile before we see a TA. That, my friend is entirely on the DALPA MEC...not DPA opportunists. Like Purp said...
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1939457)
Just when we though you couldn't possibly lose more credibility Btw...
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1939458)
In 30 months the Loss in pay will be...
Once again, TA1 wasn't just about the money. Everytime anyone focuses exclusively on the money it is a warning flag. TA1 was not rejected because of the money. It was rejected because of the concessions. You know this. And yet you continue to ignore that, chosing into Donatelli fear-mongering, going so far as to say "30 months" instead of 2 1/2 years. Yes, it's that obvious. |
Sailing..... so your admonition is 'in the end the delta pilot group will be on the losing end'??
*** have you been the past decade? With team alpa..... the delta pilots have lost their pension, half their wages, a huge chunk of qol value, and have not recovered to the pwa value of 15 years ago. And had this group approved the Ta... we would have once again come out on the losing end. Your comment would be absurdly hilarious, if not for the fact the reality of it all has caused so much damage to all our lives. In other news.... the airline pilots association has just signed a long term deal with the Chicago cubs to rename Wrigley field" alpa stadium". representatives from both organizations were quoted, citing "the shared rich history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory".......... |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1939458)
In 30 months the Loss in pay will be about 25%. 21.5 direct rates, 1% DC, 1% vac and training plus a couple percent more in DC cash from the raise. You are saying that paying a max of 5.74% more in PS is going to bring the company to its knees? Call me confused on that one.
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1939509)
That makes no sense. If you remove the yes voters, DALPA becomes as strong as ever and DPA gets put on the back burner.
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Originally Posted by snowdawg
(Post 1939589)
You are VERY confused. I don't think I mention any NUMBERS at all.
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Originally Posted by BobZ
(Post 1939575)
Sailing..... so your admonition is 'in the end the delta pilot group will be on the losing end'??
*** have you been the past decade? With team alpa..... the delta pilots have lost their pension, half their wages, a huge chunk of qol value, and have not recovered to the pwa value of 15 years ago. And had this group approved the Ta... we would have once again come out on the losing end. Your comment would be absurdly hilarious, if not for the fact the reality of it all has caused so much damage to all our lives. In other news.... the airline pilots association has just signed a long term deal with the Chicago cubs to rename Wrigley field" alpa stadium". representatives from both organizations were quoted, citing "the shared rich history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory".......... Results count, rhetoric and talk not so much. |
Lotsa irony in that post ^^^^^^^^, Sailing. I wonder if you're able to spot it. Cheers! :D
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1939693)
You seem to forget that we went from near liquidation back to top of the industry in a short time. I always take results over anything else. If you think RA will boost his pilots costs 20 or 25% above the completion I have many bridges to sell you. Over the last 8 years we have been the only airline that moved the bar. No one else has done a damn thing. UAL threw us completely under the bus with their 6 year Delta lagging contract.
Results count, rhetoric and talk not so much. I'm looking at AMR's A330 hourly wage, is 285/hr correct. Plus he's got some pension. How are we better off? Hank |
Hank....... in spite of factual reality..... you will never get through to those who daily call the alpa offices just to leave their rendition of Carly Simons 'Nobody does it better'.... on the VM.
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
(Post 1939791)
Sailing,
I'm looking at AMR's A330 hourly wage, is 285/hr correct. Plus he's got some pension. How are we better off? Hank |
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