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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1940356)

Yep. And I bought a ton of AAPL and DAL with my bigger paychecks. ;). I can lose mine, but theirs is not within their control. I like my odds better especially considering that Dougie and the AAL execs are running up more debt, not less.

I am not dependent on anybody else to manage my retirement. You want to go down that road, fine but the Western guys were proved right all along. I want no part of it.

McFLy,
We're talking about a B fund, that's in your name.

Hey now!

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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 1939889)

How did we get the profit sharing of which you speak Kemosabe?

DALPA negotiated it.

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1939898)

Will you please tell us how the NMB classifies PS? Hint: Carl already told you.

Since profit sharing has never really been a issue on any contract I doubt Carl really knows. I do know how the company will present it. We will make counter arguments and the board will decide. I would be very surprised if they did not give it some weight.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1940497)

You forget that at the road show, PS was in "the pocket with the hole in it."
But now you are counting it.
Maybe our negotiators were confused.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1940493)

DALPA negotiated it.

ALPA negotiated it when we were bleeding red. Now that we are printing $, ALPA wants to give it away?:confused:

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Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1941010)

ALPA negotiated it when we were bleeding red. Now that we are printing $, ALPA wants to give it away?:confused:

Buy high, sell low. No....wait.....how is this supposed to work?

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Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1941010)

ALPA negotiated it when we were bleeding red. Now that we are printing $, ALPA wants to give it away?:confused:

The TA I viewed did not give it away. It reduced it by a max of 5.74%.

With damn near 100% of the pilots voting, including 4th floor, admin, dalpaites and the guys with less than 2 years left, this TA went down in a landslide. Enough said.

It didn't past the smell test or even the closest exam. Get it through your head, your fellow pilots don't agree with you. And management knows why, and they know that have to sweeten the pot if they want a happy pilot group. Otherwise, we collect profit sharing and keep the contract that we have. Period.

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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1940290)

What "work" are you doing oh exalted one?

I'd tell you to use your imagination. But...

Carl

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1940497)

Again fud, it's not just profit sharing. It's ANY ITEM that cannot be costed out into the future. ANY ITEM. If it can't be costed, the NMB will NOT allow that item to be used as a means to drag out negotiations or to get an impasse declared. The NMB will strike it from consideration and status quo would prevail.

No different than us offering to allow future pay rates to be to tied to the CPI, then claim a billion dollar per year credit for it and demanding the billion back in work rules. The NMB would say the billion dollar credit is mythical because we can't know what the CPI is going to be in future years.

NMB involvement in Section 6 is about negotiating future contractual items that can be accurately costed.

Carl