Hey dad, your middle schooler hacked into your APC account again. At least I hope so. I can't imagine a grown-up supposed professional typing such stuff.

Or how many more pilots we would hire!

Great job with RockyMtMadDog guys. He's clearly a FPL guy touting the party line and almost certainly being paid to do so. Nothing new there. Also love the factual rebuttals to his/her party line "strategic messaging."

Facts are stubborn things Dog. You're going to have to try harder.

Carl

Shouldn't you be telling hand flying stories about how great a 130 pilot you used to be?? :)

Actually, you're missing the point. Just like training events cascade through the whole company the OE/IOE also flows down to all F/O's below that particular F/O. Remember, not all LCA Captains are senior so the trips with LCA may or may not be "desirable" trips so they may or may not be picked up by senior FO's. Plus, they generally need/want 4 day trips to get enough flying to get the training that is needed. Anyway, whatever trips that get picked up by a more senior F/O leaves more desirable trips to be picked up by less senior F/Os and even result in some junior pilot that might have been on reserve to get a line. Also, all trips with a particular LCA are not necessarily going to be dropped during any particular month so that more senior F/O might have some trips that aren't very good be ones that he might have to fly. This would have been a major concession that affected almost all F/Os in all categories especially with the retirements, AEs and new hires that will occur in the next 10-15 years.

Any efficiency, i.e. concession, should be in exchange for something gained. In 2015, a reasonable person could expect pay raises in the the high single digit percent per year for the entire contract, with NO concessions. 8, 8, 8. Minimum. Plus increases in DC, vacation, training, per diem. Profit sharing is sacred.

Our company is wallowing in cash. “If not us, who? If not now, when?”
JFK, I think.

Ok, so lets go back to the "old days."

Do you think the company would be willing to give us back:

A defined benefit pension.
Line of time bidding.
Trips touching our 7th week of vacation.
C2000 pay rates.

And whatever else made the "old days" so terrible. I think 65% of the Pilot group would be willing to vote for that.


Scoop

If an FO is making well north of me, good for him. I can always bid down. It's happening because of what was negotiated. If the shoe were on the other foot, what do you think the company would do?


Don't hate the player, hate the game....

....and if the company want's to change the game, they need to give all of us a lot more than an 8% pay raise. :cool:

Work smarter, not harder. Upgrades are for egos! Just kidding.;):D

Or not................;)