We're about to exceed the 1.81 ratio as is. If we were to add these jets and they were all growth the ML fleet the increase would be unprotected even with TA2015.

The ratios are way too low. Want proof, isn't all the flying we're doing now because of C2012? All these 717s? So, I take it we're barely just keeping up with the minimum, right? Because if we are far exceeding the minimum then what good was the ratio for requiring growth?

Sink, as to the aircraft, nobody is crying over a loss of used E190s and 739s in exchange for 3 big concessions. I don't believe the company requires concessions from the mechanics to buy tools and flight attendants to buy used galley carts, but for some reason we buy into we need to give up something to get the company to buy jets that the company says it needs. Buying assets whether as replacement or growth is a normal business function and completely affordable for a company making $6B a year in profit.

That should have been a nonstarter with the NC, not a "that's a great idea" means to get a TA passed early.

Again don't blame the company for trying, blame the former union leadership for signing off on it and promoting it and threatening repercussions over it.

I have always assumed the 88 was next on the chopping block for the following:

It did not get the updated cockpit
The E-Jets can fly at least x2 at the same cost
The 88 is approaching 30 years old
Management is always talking about how long it will be around <-- That being the dead giveaway.

Following this logic who funded the alterations to shrink the galleys?

Please recall we have a scope section. In the case of the E190, it drove an increasing Mainline domestic to DCI block hour ratio which was nearly twice what an E190 could fly. In fact, that ratio for 50 E190's equalled 40 737-900 (because of the 737's higher - fly all night - utilization).

Whether the increasing ratio protected 737 growth, or simply took the surplus out of the current ratio, the effect was to protect more mainline flying.

The same ones that refurbished the 744 and then parked them.

What happened to UA jumping right on those 190s?

Yep. How is that working out for us with the AF/KLM JV?
We got rolled for a few bucks a month. I assume you were involved in that grievance settlement. You were certainly involved in spinning it. Pathetic.

Canceled orders?
 

Guys,

No aircraft orders have been canceled. Mr. Anderson said that they "would" be cancelled, and they might very well get cancelled but until we eventually reach a deal no one knows how this will turn out.

The orders could be cancelled forever. They could be cancelled and re-ordered with TA-2. Maybe they will not be cancelled.

To all the Pilots who are fretting about cancelled aircraft orders I would counsel you to relax.............. things change.

Mr. Anderson did say the orders "will" be cancelled but so what? He also said he did not come to Delta to oversee a merger, guess what? We merged nonetheless. Things change.

Scoop - Just my 2 cents

That's all about the FAs organization drive. Say you are changing the seat configuration for flight attendants and buy some goodwill after the pay raise. On CNBC Richard Anderson said it was a seat pitch improvement for product enhancement that had added more room to the galley.