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300SMK 10-16-2015 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1992746)
Because delta doesn't want relative new hires in the left seat flying with new hires in the right seat. Even though they did it with delta express, it required, quite likely, the most stringent standardization program Delta has ever had. So, to be blunt, delta would like their captains to have more time on property...even though some of the new hires have a bunch of capt time in the e-jet.

Jmo.

Not that I completely disagree about company concerns but how exactly is a new hire with several hundred or thousand hours of 121 PIC time any worse off in a Delta maintained 717 or E190 vs the E175 he just stepped out of for a connection carrier? On the contrary he is probably a lot quicker and more savvy moving through the various manuals and regulations than your average long term international FO finally crossing that bridge for the first time in 12-18 years.

I hate to break it to you but Compass' training program was derived from NWA operating procedures, type and check rides were not handed out like candy-- "You'll get that on the line," was not a mantra there. I hear Skywest and Eagle are similar.

notEnuf 10-16-2015 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1993698)
Then why did mgmt agree to raise the 190 12 yr capt rate over $60 / hr from what is in our contract today?

Because they thought they could get away within it. I should have been raised $90+ to include the 195.

notEnuf 10-16-2015 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by 300SMK (Post 1993739)
Not that I completely disagree about company concerns but how exactly is a new hire with several hundred or thousand hours of 121 PIC time any worse off in a Delta maintained 717 or E190 vs the E175 he just stepped out of for a connection carrier? On the contrary he is probably a lot quicker and more savvy moving through the various manuals and regulations than your average long term international FO finally crossing that bridge for the first time in 12-18 years.

I hate to break it to you but Compass' training program was derived from NWA operating procedures, type and check rides were not handed out like candy-- "You'll get that on the line," was not a mantra there. I hear Skywest and Eagle are similar.

Ditto

Most have deadheaded on the 175 and didn't refuse to climb aboard. The 175 captain would definitely be more at home in that fleet type than any one at Delta. Bring the whole fleet to mainline.

Sink r8 10-16-2015 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1993698)
Then why did mgmt agree to raise the 190 12 yr capt rate over $60 / hr from what is in our contract today?

I'm assuming that's a rhetorical, but don't forget that when framing such a question, you have to specify "real-world", or "internet-based". On the internet, everyone wants the RJ's brought up to mainline, but no one flies them at $200/hr in a couple of years. In the real world, everyone also want the RJ flying brought in, and besides, they fly the 717 (a larger airplane) now, without any unfilled bids, at $195/hr.

It's complicated.

MoonShot 10-16-2015 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1993698)
Then why did mgmt agree to raise the 190 12 yr capt rate over $60 / hr from what is in our contract today?

I'm guessing because it brings it more in line with our contractual rates on other aircraft and they thought it would sweeten the deal sufficiently to pass the agreement. They knew it would be a small fleet anyways, so they didn't mind eating the jump in pay so they could get the: sick leave policy they wanted, OE trip drop decimation, and give backs on PSing.

Purple Drank 10-16-2015 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1993830)

It's complicated.

No, it's simple.

You are trying to gloss over and minimize NA15's concessions...all in an effort keep Moak's "yes" men in office in C44.

forgot to bid 10-16-2015 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1993830)
I'm assuming that's a rhetorical, but don't forget that when framing such a question, you have to specify "real-world", or "internet-based". On the internet, everyone wants the RJ's brought up to mainline, but no one flies them at $200/hr in a couple of years. In the real world, everyone also want the RJ flying brought in, and besides, they fly the 717 (a larger airplane) now, without any unfilled bids, at $195/hr.

It's complicated.

It isn't an rj and it isn't "being brought" to mainline.

It was already ours. It was a jet that Dalpa hadn't yet given up to the regionals.

forgot to bid 10-16-2015 01:07 PM

Besides, the 110 seat 717 is far more of a regional jet then the 98 seat E190 with double the range.

CheapTrick 10-16-2015 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1993945)
Besides, the 110 seat 717 is far more of a regional jet then the 98 seat E190 with double the range.

More like 500nm longer range. Still substantial but not double.

Sink r8 10-16-2015 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1993942)
It isn't an rj and it isn't "being brought" to mainline.

It was already ours. It was a jet that Dalpa hadn't yet given up to the regionals.

I always assumed that the Embraer Regional Jets are Regional Jets. And I also assumed an aircraft that isn't at the mainline, and suddenly is, was "brought in".

But yes, we do have a rate for it. A crappy rate. And no actual airframes.

But semantically, we're awesome.


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