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Carl Spackler 10-18-2015 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1994609)
Sink, as to the aircraft, nobody is crying over a loss of used E190s and 739s in exchange for 3 big concessions. I don't believe the company requires concessions from the mechanics to buy tools and flight attendants to buy used galley carts, but for some reason we buy into we need to give up something to get the company to buy jets that the company says it needs. Buying assets whether as replacement or growth is a normal business function and completely affordable for a company making $6B a year in profit.

That should have been a nonstarter with the NC, not a "that's a great idea" means to get a TA passed early.

Again don't blame the company for trying, blame the former union leadership for signing off on it and promoting it and threatening repercussions over it.

Exactly, exactly correctamundo.

Carl

Carl Spackler 10-18-2015 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1994786)
Please recall we have a scope section. In the case of the E190, it drove an increasing Mainline domestic to DCI block hour ratio which was nearly twice what an E190 could fly. In fact, that ratio for 50 E190's equalled 40 737-900 (because of the 737's higher - fly all night - utilization).

Whether the increasing ratio protected 737 growth, or simply took the surplus out of the current ratio, the effect was to protect more mainline flying.

If I cared to look into this (and I don't considering it's you posting), I'm quite certain I'd find everything you posted here is BS.

Carl

gopher3 10-18-2015 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1995038)
If I cared to look into this (and I don't considering it's you posting), I'm quite certain I'd find everything you posted here is BS.

Carl

Kind of like his buddy ACL65 and the BS he spewed here for years.

scambo1 10-18-2015 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1995038)
If I cared to look into this (and I don't considering it's you posting), I'm quite certain I'd find everything you posted here is BS.

Carl

Personally, I take a different approach to what Bar posts. I believe he is an honorable man working within a system which has limitations. I don't have to agree with his assessment. But, I don't think he is BSing.

Now when he does, I'll be the first to call him a liar. I do think he believes what he posts though...as opposed to the obvious shills who want their Moak group jobs.

Bar, I'd like to hear you out.

forgot to bid 10-18-2015 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1995056)
Personally, I take a different approach to what Bar posts. I believe he is an honorable man working within a system which has limitations. I don't have to agree with his assessment. But, I don't think he is BSing.

Now when he does, I'll be the first to call him a liar. I do think he believes what he posts though...as opposed to the obvious shills who want their Moak group jobs.

Bar, I'd like to hear you out.

I think what bar was saying was the advantage of the 73 is that it has routes they use it on all night making it pump out a larger utilization over a year then an E190, 717, 88, 90 and for that matter the majority of the Baby Buses.

All true in that there is a limit to what a domestic non transcon jet can do in a day. Just like the RJs.

But the company, during the conference call, also said the 757s are getting parked. If 737s are replacing 763s and 757s, then there isn't really a gain in annual utilization.

Now one thing I have a hunch about is that the CRJ900 fleet takes the CRJ200 fleet out to the woodshed in possible ASMs over a given time period/block hours. ASMs are what matters, right? Wouldn't that mean if you could get X more ASMs out of a fleet vs another with higher reliability plus more prasm due to the three class configuration then that's a yuge win?

Whether the airlines that operate them can come through is a different story. Which is a good reason why E190s might be attractive at this point. But Embraer needs to hit a stingy DAL/RA price point.

Fwiw I once heard, and I don't have any inside gouge to verify this, that post merger they saw just how much NWA 757s purchased planes were compared to what Delta had paid. I dunno.

But at the end of the day unless we open a new hub and new routes we are flying x amount of jets between 6am and 11 pm and x amount on redeyes and that won't change significantly. Thus take the average hours of what DCI and mainline aircraft do and you too can figure out the ratio for yourself. Look at the scope compliance PowerPoint's from dalpa plus the PWA.

And once yall do, all y'all can make your own assumptions using common sense like old planes will be put out to pasture and so forth.

80ktsClamp 10-18-2015 04:51 PM

The comparison was also made between the A-330 vs the 767-400. DL got taken to the cleaners by Boeing! Boeing even offered NW a considerably lower price than DL's preferred customer price for the 767-400.

forgot to bid 10-18-2015 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1995071)
The comparison was also made between the A-330 vs the 767-400. DL got taken to the cleaners by Boeing! Boeing even offered NW a considerably lower price than DL's preferred customer price for the 767-400.

The Airbus haters be like:

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Lit...cb_1128240.gif

We straight 80. We straight. Partially because you are so yoked.

Purple Drank 10-18-2015 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1995056)
Personally, I take a different approach to what Bar posts. I believe he is an honorable man working within a system which has limitations. .

I used to think that way. But somewhere along the line, perhaps he fell in with the wrong crowd and lost his way. Harwood? Parker? Hanson? Moak himself?

Scambo, I hear what you're saying and I'd like to jump on board. But I just can't.

I do think he believes what he posts. But I no longer believe he is working toward Delta pilots' best interests. I'm open to hearing his side of the story. But his actions favoring some unknown group (but certainly not the line pilots) these past couple of years have damaged his rep almost beyond repair.

I don't know what happened to him once he joined the administrative club at DALPA, but something sure did.

nohat 10-20-2015 04:48 AM

why is everyone calling it abuse to follow our negotiated contract language, but when company does not follow our contract it is called a business decision. At NWA they penalized those who never called in sick by stealing their sick bank during merge.

boog123 10-20-2015 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by nohat (Post 1995904)
At NWA they penalized those who never called in sick by stealing their sick bank during merge.

I don't think NWA had much to do with that….


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