Wait. Delta doesn't currently have any holiday pay!?

I agree. An easy compromise is to offer holiday/double pay. Also, another idea would be to offer paid time off (pto) like JetBlue. You can sell it back for 150% of current pay - not the pay when you accumulated it :). The key would be a higher acrual rate than JB. accumulate 13-14 hours per month as a 1st year guy, and let is increase to 15-17 hours per month.

No we lost that in the 96 contract.

I see...

So 1) You have appointed yourself judge and jury on this ONE individual... So you examined him/her and made your diagnosis?... Shweet!

And 2) If ONE person steps out of line, we completely change the contract and negatively effect the over 12,000 that are marching along in line...

No thanks.

At one time we got 5 paid APD days, then it was shortened to 3 paid days, then finally the 3 unpaid days we have now. Inflight, MX, Gate agents, in short, everyone -except- the pilots already gets 'Holiday Pay'.

Why that wasn't in the POS TA is beyond me, oh, but they did offer us a nickel more per hour per diem!:rolleyes:

Basically, it seems, the NC was given a 2% cost increase allowance. It's a number that RA mentioned the other day that 2% is the max they seek to hold down cost increases.

So, how do you make 2% into 8% up front plus 0/3/3? You pay for it in other places.

People like xray have done exactly what management intended: they bought off on a complete distraction, internalized it and are now on board with anything the company tells them. Its very sad to watch because it indicates a complete failure of independent thought. It also reveals two things:

1) We as pilots generally do not understand our self-worth. I am not sure how this happened, since we are mostly a Type-A bunch, but sometimes our machismo turns into cowardice the minute our strength is tested. This company propaganda is no exception. Having a backbone in this industry makes a big difference. People like xray need to show some backbone.

2) We trust management over our own pilots. When did this happen and why? This divide and conquer campaign by management failed. We are stronger than ever. They campaign continues with remarks of how stupid we were to vote no and how much money we left on the table. We kept our profit sharing, our scope, and our sick leave. That's worth a heck of a lot more than 8% and they know it, hence their frustration. We cant keep buying into the messages the company puts out. It serves their purpose. They've done nothing but extract from us and given nothing in return.

The minute they tried to take their own executive bonuses out of our PS in the new PTIX formula is the minute I confirmed that these are not good people. That level of selfishness coming from $10 to $20 Million a year executives is far more unacceptable than a handful of pilots abusing sick leave. And to me that's about as apples to apples of a comparison as you can get. And to hear a yes voter justify that attempt by management is very disturbing.

Please fellow pilots wake up and see what theyre doing to us.

Ghilis, please run for an LEC. You're clarity of thought and analysis and exactly what we need.

Yup, 2% is the magic number that RA always mentions to the Wall Street guys at the Earnings Calls. If that is an accurate number or not is debatable, but that's always the number he uses.

That and he'll also say any increase somewhere was offset by efficiencies elsewhere, basically we've been signing 'Cost Neutral' agreements, early, and the stock pop benefits the guys who get 90% of their pay in stock options.

Could you imagine if the BoD told RA he could only increase his compensation package 2% per year?

Hmm, since I dont think a pilot should be able to abuse sick leave to get a greenslip another pilot should have received I am buying into everything the company say? Wow quite the stretch.