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11-03-2015 | 05:53 AM
#251
The Brown Dot +1
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: 777B
I stopped reading your post right there. If the COMPANY had a shred of integrity we'd have had restoration before 6 BILLION dollar buy backs & dividends. If the Company had a shred of integrity they wouldn't want us to take a PS cut while they change the formula to enrich themselves (yet again), if the Company had a shred of integrity they would've given the other employees pay raises 1/1/16 and the integrity list goes on and on.
I'll provide my services with the same level of integrity the company shows me, nothing more nothing less. It's a two way street.
Don't try and guilt trip someone to your point of view with integrity.
The Integrity backpack is DOA.
I'll provide my services with the same level of integrity the company shows me, nothing more nothing less. It's a two way street.
Don't try and guilt trip someone to your point of view with integrity.
The Integrity backpack is DOA.
11-03-2015 | 06:42 AM
#252
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,116
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What is intriguing about this back and forth is we seem to be stuck on the judgment call of what is sick or not.
that is entirely not the issue for this group. we don't have the numbers....but my guess is the sick leave utilization of the pilot group is not exceptionally out of line with other employees....or employees industry wide.
every aspect of our employment contract that has an associated cost to the company is part of our earned compensation. that includes sick leave. the decision on the use of that 'compensation' is left to the individual employee.
as union members...our primary concern should NOT be the associated cost to management of any discretionary component part of our working agreement....but instead if or not any member is using aspects of the pwa inappropriately to abrogate seniority and disadvantage the earning opportunities of other members. As well as undermine the protections of our collective bargaining agreement.
once upon a time I was in a category where senior pilots utilized the swap with friends to organize an effort to end run seniority as well as the protections of our CB agreement. trip parking had allowed these pilots to raid the open time....and end up flying 100+ hours a month for STRAIGHT TIME.
Preventing this kind of corrosion to the value of the craft is job one for any union. what was truly concerning was the reaction of the scheduling 'guru' (who is now on the NC)....first answer was "that cant happen"....but once provided the tangible evidence...seemed to entirely miss how this practice ran contrary to any collective welfare unions were founded to protect.
I don't care why you call in sick. I don't care how much it is 'costing' the company.
But if you are calling in sick to manipulate your schedule to the (economic/seniority) detriment of other pilots in your category...as a union member...I find the practice despicable.
that is entirely not the issue for this group. we don't have the numbers....but my guess is the sick leave utilization of the pilot group is not exceptionally out of line with other employees....or employees industry wide.
every aspect of our employment contract that has an associated cost to the company is part of our earned compensation. that includes sick leave. the decision on the use of that 'compensation' is left to the individual employee.
as union members...our primary concern should NOT be the associated cost to management of any discretionary component part of our working agreement....but instead if or not any member is using aspects of the pwa inappropriately to abrogate seniority and disadvantage the earning opportunities of other members. As well as undermine the protections of our collective bargaining agreement.
once upon a time I was in a category where senior pilots utilized the swap with friends to organize an effort to end run seniority as well as the protections of our CB agreement. trip parking had allowed these pilots to raid the open time....and end up flying 100+ hours a month for STRAIGHT TIME.
Preventing this kind of corrosion to the value of the craft is job one for any union. what was truly concerning was the reaction of the scheduling 'guru' (who is now on the NC)....first answer was "that cant happen"....but once provided the tangible evidence...seemed to entirely miss how this practice ran contrary to any collective welfare unions were founded to protect.
I don't care why you call in sick. I don't care how much it is 'costing' the company.
But if you are calling in sick to manipulate your schedule to the (economic/seniority) detriment of other pilots in your category...as a union member...I find the practice despicable.
Last edited by BobZ; 11-03-2015 at 07:20 AM.
11-03-2015 | 06:57 AM
#253
Racketeer
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,327
Likes: 817
From: N60.4858 W149.9327
What is intriguing about this back and forth is we seem to be stuck on the judgment call of what is sick or not.
that is entirely not the issue for this group. we don't have the numbers....but my guess is the sick leave utilization of the pilot group is not exceptionally out of line with other employees....or employees industry wide.
every aspect of our employment contract that has an associated cost to the company is part of our earned compensation. that includes sick leave. the decision on the use of that 'compensation' is left to the individual employee.
as union members...our primary concern should NOT be the associated cost to management of any discretionary component part of our working agreement....but instead if or not any member is using aspects of the pwa inappropriately to abrogate seniority and disadvantage the earning opportunities of other members. As well as undermine the protections of our collective bargaining agreement.
once upon a time I was in a category where senior pilots utilized the swap with friends to organize an effort to end run seniority as well as the protections of our CB agreement. trip parking had allowed these pilots to raid the open time....and end up flying 100+ hours a month for STRAIGHT TIME.
Preventing this kind of corrosion to the value of the craft is job one for any union. what was truly concerning was the reaction of the scheduling 'guru' (who is now on the NC)....first answer was "that cant happen"....but once provided the tangible evidence...seemed to entirely miss how this practice ran contrary to any collective welfare unions were founded to protect.
I don't care why you call in sick. I don't care how much it is 'costing' the company.
But if you are calling in sick to manipulate your schedule to the (economic/seniority) detriment of other pilots in your category...as a union member...I will help the company put the noose around your neck and personally will have no problem pulling the lever.
that is entirely not the issue for this group. we don't have the numbers....but my guess is the sick leave utilization of the pilot group is not exceptionally out of line with other employees....or employees industry wide.
every aspect of our employment contract that has an associated cost to the company is part of our earned compensation. that includes sick leave. the decision on the use of that 'compensation' is left to the individual employee.
as union members...our primary concern should NOT be the associated cost to management of any discretionary component part of our working agreement....but instead if or not any member is using aspects of the pwa inappropriately to abrogate seniority and disadvantage the earning opportunities of other members. As well as undermine the protections of our collective bargaining agreement.
once upon a time I was in a category where senior pilots utilized the swap with friends to organize an effort to end run seniority as well as the protections of our CB agreement. trip parking had allowed these pilots to raid the open time....and end up flying 100+ hours a month for STRAIGHT TIME.
Preventing this kind of corrosion to the value of the craft is job one for any union. what was truly concerning was the reaction of the scheduling 'guru' (who is now on the NC)....first answer was "that cant happen"....but once provided the tangible evidence...seemed to entirely miss how this practice ran contrary to any collective welfare unions were founded to protect.
I don't care why you call in sick. I don't care how much it is 'costing' the company.
But if you are calling in sick to manipulate your schedule to the (economic/seniority) detriment of other pilots in your category...as a union member...I will help the company put the noose around your neck and personally will have no problem pulling the lever.
11-03-2015 | 07:08 AM
#254
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,116
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not saying that at all. I don't care why any pilot calls in sick.
the individual is the only one who can also know with certainty the intended result of that event.
what an individual who is engaging in schedule manipulation via sick leave use should also know is....they are likely doing so at a cost to OTHER PILOTS seniority and earnings opportunities....and as a union members that is about the lowest of the low.
the individual is the only one who can also know with certainty the intended result of that event.
what an individual who is engaging in schedule manipulation via sick leave use should also know is....they are likely doing so at a cost to OTHER PILOTS seniority and earnings opportunities....and as a union members that is about the lowest of the low.
11-03-2015 | 07:13 AM
#255
Racketeer
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,327
Likes: 817
From: N60.4858 W149.9327
not saying that at all. I don't care why any pilot calls in sick.
the individual is the only one who can also know with certainty the intended result of that event.
what an individual who is engaging in schedule manipulation via sick leave use should also know is....they are likely doing so at a cost to OTHER PILOTS seniority and earnings opportunities....and as a union members that is about the lowest of the low.
the individual is the only one who can also know with certainty the intended result of that event.
what an individual who is engaging in schedule manipulation via sick leave use should also know is....they are likely doing so at a cost to OTHER PILOTS seniority and earnings opportunities....and as a union members that is about the lowest of the low.
11-03-2015 | 07:38 AM
#257
Racketeer
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,327
Likes: 817
From: N60.4858 W149.9327
Great news again, from the company needing bankruptcy based pilot pay and benefits to make it all happen. 
Lets give more concessions!
Delta Air Lines, Inc. - Delta Reports Financial and Operating Performance for October 2015
Delta Air Lines higher after load factor dazzles - Delta Air Lines, Inc. (NYSE
AL) | Seeking Alpha
Lets give more concessions!Delta Air Lines, Inc. - Delta Reports Financial and Operating Performance for October 2015
Delta Air Lines higher after load factor dazzles - Delta Air Lines, Inc. (NYSE
AL) | Seeking Alpha
Last edited by notEnuf; 11-03-2015 at 07:59 AM.
11-03-2015 | 12:24 PM
#258
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 342
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Probably why the airlines like to hire so many prior mil. "Gotta hack the mish no matter the costs."
11-03-2015 | 01:32 PM
#259
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 461
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From: 7ER Capt
You definitely must be a fourth floor type... certainly NOT a union member.
A union does NOT make changes to it's contract to "target" alleged sick leave "abusers"!
Delta has all the tools today to pursue any pilot they suspect of abuse...
It is the unions job to REPRESENT that pilot.
That is unionism 101!
Sheesh!
