UAL Deal Effect On 3B4
11-21-2015 | 01:53 PM
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11-21-2015 | 02:00 PM
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If the UAL 13% number is correct, then that is the value of the raise being circumvented by the Dec. 1 date for the non-con raise. If it were still Apr. 1 then 13% is less than 14.5% and that would apply. Remember you are the best pilots in the industry and should be paid... Yada, yada...
Now we bank raises equal too the non-cons for years to come under C2012, without concessions!
Now we bank raises equal too the non-cons for years to come under C2012, without concessions!
11-21-2015 | 04:44 PM
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Giving our non-contract people their raise on Dec 1st is already an act of war.
Management is basically poking a stick in our eye.
They better not send out any more memos telling us how great we are and how much they appreciate our operational excellence.
I think a lot of guys are going to be dropping their backpacks on Jan 1st.
PS- I'll be interested to see whether ALPA decides to challenge this as a violation of RLA status quo.
December raises are clearly a break from many years of "past practice". Its just as clear that they're only doing it to circumvent our contract.
We might have a strong case.
Management is basically poking a stick in our eye.
They better not send out any more memos telling us how great we are and how much they appreciate our operational excellence.
I think a lot of guys are going to be dropping their backpacks on Jan 1st.
PS- I'll be interested to see whether ALPA decides to challenge this as a violation of RLA status quo.
December raises are clearly a break from many years of "past practice". Its just as clear that they're only doing it to circumvent our contract.
We might have a strong case.
11-21-2015 | 07:01 PM
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PS- I'll be interested to see whether ALPA decides to challenge this as a violation of RLA status quo.
December raises are clearly a break from many years of "past practice". Its just as clear that they're only doing it to circumvent our contract.
We might have a strong case.
December raises are clearly a break from many years of "past practice". Its just as clear that they're only doing it to circumvent our contract.
We might have a strong case.
11-22-2015 | 04:32 AM
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That's a promising sign.
Hopefully they will get some opinions other than ALPA National lawyers.
If they listen to ALPA National we are screwed.
11-22-2015 | 06:27 AM
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Giving our non-contract people their raise on Dec 1st is already an act of war.
Management is basically poking a stick in our eye.
They better not send out any more memos telling us how great we are and how much they appreciate our operational excellence.
I think a lot of guys are going to be dropping their backpacks on Jan 1st.
Management is basically poking a stick in our eye.
They better not send out any more memos telling us how great we are and how much they appreciate our operational excellence.
I think a lot of guys are going to be dropping their backpacks on Jan 1st.
11-22-2015 | 06:41 AM
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Care to explain where you got your numbers.. as there has been NOTHING put out official with regards to our (UAL) Contract extension?
Just a rumor of 16% for first year.. but unknown if that is on top of the scheduled 3% as of 1 Jan 16, or 13% + the scheduled 3%, or if it's 16% as of 1 Dec 15... etc. {And that's IF the rumors are true}
Amazing how people are already posting opinions of something that still doesn't even exist.
oh, and our current 2016 payrate for 757-2 Capt, 12th yr =
$217.52
x 16% = (+34.80)
New Rate would be $252.32!
However, these are still rumors and alot more info needs to come out besides payrates for me to vote YES.
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Just a rumor of 16% for first year.. but unknown if that is on top of the scheduled 3% as of 1 Jan 16, or 13% + the scheduled 3%, or if it's 16% as of 1 Dec 15... etc. {And that's IF the rumors are true}
Amazing how people are already posting opinions of something that still doesn't even exist.
oh, and our current 2016 payrate for 757-2 Capt, 12th yr =
$217.52
x 16% = (+34.80)
New Rate would be $252.32!
However, these are still rumors and alot more info needs to come out besides payrates for me to vote YES.
Always
Motch
11-22-2015 | 07:31 AM
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I'm told the MEC passed a resolution to have the administration investigate whether management is violating the status quo with these December raises.
That's a promising sign.
Hopefully they will get some opinions other than ALPA National lawyers.
If they listen to ALPA National we are screwed.
That's a promising sign.
Hopefully they will get some opinions other than ALPA National lawyers.
If they listen to ALPA National we are screwed.
The original directed that a grievance be filed. Period.
The version that passed directed an investigation and a grievance "if appropriate."
With the MEC still controlled by Moakists (who are now trying to get management jobs since their ALPA prospects are shot), I'm guessing they won't find a grievance to be "appropriate."
As an aside, it's my understanding that several of the outgoing reps were neck deep up RA's butt looking for a new sugar daddy when he spoke at the meeting. Nestor, of course, was no doubt fully engaged.
And why was RA there? What was he talking about? Enough listening to that guy. It's time for action.
11-22-2015 | 09:11 AM
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If the United CEO was smart he would have the first raise effective on 1 Dec 15 that way it forces Delta into a 3B4 review for the pilots and doesn't have a cost disadvantage when it comes to pilot pay. That is RA and managements big deal here right? They don't want us to get out of line with the industry in regards to pay.
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