forgot to bid

Are you saying 70-75 hours for a reserve pilot in 2011 equals 90 credit hours today?

And separately, say a reserve pilot went to 90 hours of credit this month. That puts the ALV at 75 hours at a minimum. If the reserve pilot flew in 2011 3 4-day trips, how many more 4 day trips could they fly in 2011? How about the same pilot today?

forgot to bid

eh. I get that, it'd be great to have a kumbaya moment and all, but I'm not going there. Not with what they were trying to commit us too.

It'd be like trying to celebrate your real estate agent for selling your house, like you asked them too, but doing it for 20% below your floor, 30% below the appraised value and 40% below what others were willing to pay for it. There wouldn't be much celebrating even if they gave you some good ideas on how to stage it and fix it up.

I mean, would the flip or flop people do that? No...



I bet you didn't read a word I wrote. Including this word... booo! I bet he works out.

BobZ

the watch is a dead giveaway......

the 'good' things alpa has done? sure thing.....and all that for only $50 million a year?

do you hear that hysterical laughter?.......wonder who is getting royally punked? take a swing by the closest mirror....

Herkflyr

I'm saying that just a few years ago reserves could get two day trips that paid FOUR hours (2 hr Duty Period Minimum).

Reserves did not get the Duty Period Average or its predecessor called Variable Minimum. That is why our rotation details have separate lines for regular and reserve.

But now that same trip that could pay a reserve as little as four hours now pays 10.30. Add a few of those together and you see reserves getting to and above the ALV much, much more quickly, for the exact same flying.

Many pilots haven't a clue about any of this, choosing to remain willfully ignorant.

But all means criticize the TA15 rush job and sales job. It should have been criticized. But when guys are critical of all the extra productivity we are giving, let's also acknowledge that we are also getting higher hourly totals than we used to for the exact same flying.

... Reserves getting ADG, something pilots had been petitioning for, literally for decades.
... ADG applies to 30 hr layovers, redeyea, and dh only duty periods

I like to think that DALPA fixed and improved a lot of items on the "margins" of the contract. Now we should be able to concentrate on getting lots of pay, improving... not making worse... sick leave, scope, etc.

MoonShot

I will echo that reserve has gotten MUCH better since I started in 2008 (pay, scheduling rules, etc...). There are still things to work on, but it is livable today.

forgot to bid

A 4 hour two day would have been a deadhead out and deadhead back. Not a likely trip.

Now a GS was no credit. But a flying day was 5.15 per day equal to reg pay. That's why so many of the regular and reserve rotation credits were equal. Even with a deadhead leg mid trip it paid the same, im looking at one right now. So I don't know how you could get 90 hours today equaled 75 then for the same flying when on reserve.

As to the poor 90 hour reserve pilot, that was not a good deal. If a reserve flew 3 4-days they would have 63 hours. On a month with a 75 hour ALV, that reserve pilot couldn't fly a typical domestic 3 day or longer trip from that point. If they needed it covered break up the trip or get more people.

Today, that pilot could fly a 5 day trip. Win. For scheduling. Not staffing.

Hank Kingsley

Herk,
That's great. Really is. Many of us haven't been on reserve in 30 years and don't ever plan on being on reserve. So the rest of what Dalpa has been able to get for $50 million a year in dues is inadequate.
In fact, there has been a long history of failure to protect our contract. You know the facts. The list is too long.

Hank

Herkflyr

Negative ghostrider. I am talking reserves here, not regular lineholders. A reserve got the Duty Rig, Trip Rig, and Duty Period Minimum (only 2 hrs a day). But until the FAR 117 LOA, he never got the Variable Minimum/Duty Period Average that the regular lineholders got.

So take a 2-day trip, ATL-MCO/layover/MCO-ATL end of trip. That would have paid a regular guy 10.30 but a reserve four. Add a DH-only duty period on either end, and even the regular guy would have only gotten 7.15 (and just 7 hours several years ago when we had VM). Now they both get 10.30. Extreme example? Perhaps, but not in my fleet (717). These types of trips are quite common, which is why perhaps I appreciate the DPA rules and reserve pay features of them so much (I often bid reserve on purpose).

.

You may not realize it but you are making my point. NOW reserves get the same pay as regular lineholders. Try to find a bid package from a few years ago and you will see significant differences. The reason it is so much better is because DALPA negotiated it that way with the FAR 117 SLOA. I just want guys to acknowledge the improvements we have secured, and the same time DALPA better understand that they deserve the criticism for all the TA15 bad stuff.

True...however, while I was not happy with the ability to schedule a reserve to ALV+15, we must acknowledge that in any month where you have vacation, training, etc, you also have your own "personal" reserve guarantee, which may be quite a bit lower than if you were on reserve the entire month. So prior to that, yes a reserve could not be scheduled to exceed the ALV, but he could be scheduled to fly all the way up to it, NOT counting any vacation time he had.

While that does not completely "override" the ability of scheduling to assign to ALV+15, it is better than nothing.

trustbutverify

Herkflyr,

By calling many of your fellow pilots "willfully ignorant" is a stretch and sounds like the DALPA sales job on the failed TA.

I was junior in category working under C2012 and I felt like I was worked more than with the previous work rules. Granted, some of the problem was FAR 117, but DALPA shares responsibility there as well. They were involved from day one with it's implementation.

As to your point about ADG for redeyes, the carve out after midnight and shifting of sign in times to just after midnight took care of that - at least in LAX. Trips that were worth 15.45 signing in just before midnight are now worth 10.30 signing in just after midnight. Who would have seen that one coming? Apparently not DALPA. The term "willfully ignorant" applies here.

The big productivity issue that didn't sit well with me was the ALV+15 reserve limit but there were other give backs that made any increase in pay a wash at best.

Please make your DALPA assessment more balanced. They do enough selling for themselves.

Herkflyr

This will be my last post on this. I went over a decade without being on reserve. However the company has put so many 4 and 5 day trips in my category (717) that the past few months it has actually been to my advantage to bid reserve on purpose for several reasons.

I realize that most don't want to do that.

I also realize that we still have a lot of improvements to secure to get a strong "yes" endorsement from many pilots--and that is how it should be.