....once they change that pay rate :D

Out. Standing.

Amen brother. Don't get me wrong, this is good news but let's keep things in perspective - the company and DALPA did just try and sell a TA in which they insisted that any mainline fleet growth was absolutely contingent on passing a concessionary contract. Bait and switch. The failed TA was full of it and I'm expecting the next one to be similar...keeping my eye on the ball.

FTB gets it, he always has.

Sad truth.

Or his alternate sign in, that he created during the TA vote.

Maybe the mods (LIKE YOU) should enforce the TOS unilaterally, ya think?

The rates are terrible but this order certainly is good news. However, unless we get an adjustment to our block hour ratio with DCI, these might just be replacement jets. Get the pay up and improve the scope language.

One eye opener for me has been to see how many 88 routes DAL has given to the 717 that's 26% smaller.

It makes me think when the 88 goes it very well could be replaced by the 190, except I doubt they'd do 174 E10s. More like 100 E190s and 40 739s to retain all of the capacity if that's what they even wanted to do. Or maybe 70 E190s, 40 739s and 20 320 on the used market.

Who knows, it's their call anyways not ours, but the pay is our call and I think to totally treat the E190 and 88s as if they don't have overlap would be a mistake.

The rates will take care of themselves. DAL is very concerned about the level of experience in the cockpit, especially the left seat. It's a major issue right now. Not a chance we'll see these on the property with C2012 rates, it'll get fixed one way or the other. Either way, more leverage for us.

Also worth noting- probation ends when upgrading to Capt. Having a new hire go straight to the left seat of an Ejet would deprive DL of the probationary period and all the associated checks and indoctrination. Not happening.

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What's taking sailing so long to come on here and comment. Eagerly waiting.. :-)

He's coming to terms with everything that he learned to be true is not. The E-Jets came, profits are up, we are still hiring, 737s didn't replace 757's and... the big DAL is looking at more 777's.

Tough times indeed. The Moakists are huddling up at the Eagle's Nest.

What's a Moakist? Moak is a multi millionaire posing as a Delta pilot. He's on the seniority list, who's flown with him recently?

And I am wondering? Is it ok for me to go run a business and still be on the seniority list without flying? I think I would be denied.

TEN

I think like a CP, he should have to fly one trip a month. Helps keep your feet on the ground in reality.

What makes regional guys punks? Pilots like you make me sick I'm sure bid D is not your first flying job and just because you work for big d doesn't mean you have to be a BIG D. Idiot. Congrats on the new airframes and the flying, the less regional operators out there the better. On that point I agree but to talk smack about the much harder working RJ guys bringing you your pax day in and day out is a move of a C Suck$&@! PUNK.

You need to read on a little more next time before you comment. Although at first sight of just his first comment I admit it was bad.

RA said in the investor business daily that Delta signed a LOI to purchase a 777 at 7.7 million. I wonder (hope) it's more than 1!

No I read it all and I said I agreed with the "it's a move in the right direction" and it is but a insult is a insult period.
As a matter of fact Delta is probably the best and continually makes good moves but regional punks I'm sorry but I just don't get it.

^^^^^disregard it's pointless^^^^

Wet or dry lease to ?

Listen, the military guys love to live in the past, and do not harbor the same ill sentiments for the young guys getting out today. Not much has changed as far as qualifications to get in and train in the last 20 years. But for us former regional prop jocks, to get the $hittie$t paying job we needed 2500 total time, 500 ME, ATP, college diploma multiple references etc...... Now you can get a regional jet job with 10 minutes of kite flying. The folks in back see a white shirt and a tie and think they have a salty Delta skipper at the helm, if they only knew... Not speaking for the post you got upset with, but I think I get what he means.

poor pilot, I think what imapilot meant is that the guy you are ****ed at is NOT a Delta pilot. He is a RAH pilot. You have to read further along in the thread before it's clear.

This new deal seems even better -- 20 fewer 737-900s in the deal. I don't think it's crazy to assume that means more 757s will stay on property than under the original TA-linked deal.

And we agree with Poo--RAH is NOT a Delta pilot.

I guess "Plan B" pumping millions of $$$ into RJs was never really a plan at all but at best a bluff, more likely just standard negotiating 101, and at worst a lie. Its just sad that the NC bought into this crap and tried their very hardest to help DAL sell it to a wisely skeptical Pilot group.

I still find it hard to imagine how so many well meaning, good guys at DALPA bought into this hook line and sinker.:confused:

Lets hope the new NC and MEC start thinking a little more critically and stop taking everything said in a negotiation as gospel, and realize that a negotiation is just that - a negotiation.

Scoop

Amen brother!!! Shameful this was sold ala brimstone and fire-sold the new industry bench mark!?! No justice no peace!! Pilot lives matter!!

Well Said!!!!

Does anyone have the E-190 rates from TA2015? I can't seem to find them online anywhere and didn't save any of the contract emails.

Hey! How is that 50 seat RJ refurbishing line coming along? Are they cranking them out as fast as they can blow the dust off them?


: ) It never gets old!!!!!

Don't take it literally, they know they blew it, just smile and move on!

Too bad they don't do that for the instructors.

He's still Butthurt about the order coming in despite us voting "NO" ...nothing is so ego deflating as predictions gone "inverse".

Current 12yr capt $140.19. TA Jan 1, 16 188.64-- 194.30 Jan1, 17--200.13 Jan 1, 18. Not planning on down bidding myself.. E190 appears to have some pretty long legs. Be interested to see where it is deployed. I think the last stated target for 50 seaters was 125. Hopefully this means "fewer" and/or "sooner." OFG

That article doesn't say who is going to fly them. Just because Delta buys them doesn't mean they'll be flown by the superior hands of the double breasted hat adorned sky gods. Endeavor is a wholly owned entity that can fly them as well as some other delta minuses that could lease them to replace 2 or 3 to one for 50 seaters. That would put them back in the incapable bumbling hands of far inferior pilots who haven't been flying 90 seaters for years already. Hope we can keep that big jet from hitting other smaller aircraft on taxiways and stay on the runway at LGA. We're all in this together ladies and gents, insults are real easy to throw around. We live in glass houses. I hope Delta does put mainline pilots on them and gets great rates! That means more demand for hiring, movement, and might finally put the whipsaw regional airline management pukes out on the streets. But as for the pilots, I'd let them be my wingman any day.

Will there be many twelve year Captains that fly this though? I know the union only really used that rate to sell it, but how about the rates for the guys that will ACTUALLY fly it... I.e. Year one/two F.O. Pay? Now there's a pay rate worth tweaking!

Ever heard of "Scope"? I'm assuming the rest of your post is all VERY sarcastic...

Oh yeah scope, that's rock solid and forever. Vote yes!

Failed TA RJ rates
Captains

EMB-195/190
$177.96 12 year
$176.66
$175.28
$173.94
$172.61
$171.27
$169.96
$168.59
$167.31
$165.94
$164.58
$163.37

CRJ-900
$151.41 12 year
$150.28
$149.13
$147.97
$146.85
$145.69
$144.57
$143.41
$142.32
$141.19
$140.03
$138.99

What's with all the RJ guys coming on this thread bashing Delta pilots for insults that were only dished out by.....wait for it....another RJ pilot??. And Captian carrot you are greatly miss informed if you believe the 190's are going to be flown by anyone but mainline Delta pilots.

Jul 2015 from year 12 -1

Capt:
$177.96 $176.66 $175.28 $173.94 $172.61 $171.27 $169.96 $168.59 $167.31 $165.94 $164.58 $163.37

FO:
$121.56 $120.48 $119.37 $117.76 $116.52 $113.89 $110.82 $108.08 $105.56 $103.04 $88.06 $76.15

The 190 is an RJ...as is the 717. So......