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Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029715)
That article doesn't say who is going to fly them. Just because Delta buys them doesn't mean they'll be flown by the superior hands of the double breasted hat adorned sky gods. Endeavor is a wholly owned entity that can fly them as well as some other delta minuses that could lease them to replace 2 or 3 to one for 50 seaters. That would put them back in the incapable bumbling hands of far inferior pilots who haven't been flying 90 seaters for years already. Hope we can keep that big jet from hitting other smaller aircraft on taxiways and stay on the runway at LGA. We're all in this together ladies and gents, insults are real easy to throw around. We live in glass houses. I hope Delta does put mainline pilots on them and gets great rates! That means more demand for hiring, movement, and might finally put the whipsaw regional airline management pukes out on the streets. But as for the pilots, I'd let them be my wingman any day.
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Originally Posted by poor pilot
(Post 2029358)
What makes regional guys punks? Pilots like you make me sick I'm sure bid D is not your first flying job and just because you work for big d doesn't mean you have to be a BIG D. Idiot. Congrats on the new airframes and the flying, the less regional operators out there the better. On that point I agree but to talk smack about the much harder working RJ guys bringing you your pax day in and day out is a move of a C Suck$&@! PUNK.
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Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029764)
The 190 is an RJ...as is the 717. So......
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Thread creep...
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Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029715)
That article doesn't say who is going to fly them. Just because Delta buys them doesn't mean they'll be flown by the superior hands of the double breasted hat adorned sky gods. Endeavor is a wholly owned entity that can fly them as well as some other delta minuses that could lease them to replace 2 or 3 to one for 50 seaters. That would put them back in the incapable bumbling hands of far inferior pilots who haven't been flying 90 seaters for years already. Hope we can keep that big jet from hitting other smaller aircraft on taxiways and stay on the runway at LGA. We're all in this together ladies and gents, insults are real easy to throw around. We live in glass houses. I hope Delta does put mainline pilots on them and gets great rates! That means more demand for hiring, movement, and might finally put the whipsaw regional airline management pukes out on the streets. But as for the pilots, I'd let them be my wingman any day.
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The manufactures nomenclature has absolutely nothing to do with who operates the airplane. Airbuses aren't flown only by Europeans, or Boeings by americans, or canadairs by canadians etc.
Scope and only scope matters. Large gauge or small gauge both need to be recaptured and maintained. If the mainline operates more airplanes it needs more pilots. |
Originally Posted by ATL7ER
(Post 2029792)
?...wrote a Scope clause into the contract that actually prevents everything you stated.
Funny part of it is your pilot group getting all hot and bothered to fly these airplanes when not to long ago you scoffed at pilots flying them as substandard and beneath you. Welcome to the RJ game RJ guys. |
The real question is how will the military candidates that have Delta as their career goal carrier react when they realize that by going with Delta they will have to start out in an RJ, vs. going with UAL or AA and starting out in a Boeing or Airbus.
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Originally Posted by Czech Airman
(Post 2029772)
Monitor guard next time you fly and you'll have your answer.
You really just don't hear unprofessional, childish, garbage like that flying across the NATs. I wonder why? |
Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029815)
I'm sure it's absolute and unwaiverable. But, if management wants you to relax it you will. I don't think people will pace back and forth to fly RJs. If you don't relax it there is no way they're gonna budge on the rates.
Funny part of it is your pilot group getting all hot and bothered to fly these airplanes when not to long ago you scoffed at pilots flying them as substandard and beneath you. Welcome to the RJ game RJ guys. Please explain how you know the company is not "gonna budge on the rates" BTW, many Delta pilots flew RJ's; we know about the puppy mills. |
I smell a troll....
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Originally Posted by Czech Airman
(Post 2029826)
The real question is how will the military candidates that have Delta as their career goal carrier react when they realize that by going with Delta they will have to start out in an RJ, vs. going with UAL or AA and starting out in a Boeing or Airbus.
Just my $.02: More than likely, they will go to work for the first airline that offers them a job. Flying an RJ for a year or two (at a decent pay rate) shouldn't be a show stopper. |
Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029815)
I'm sure it's absolute and unwaiverable. But, if management wants you to relax it you will. I don't think people will pace back and forth to fly RJs. If you don't relax it there is no way they're gonna budge on the rates.
Funny part of it is your pilot group getting all hot and bothered to fly these airplanes when not to long ago you scoffed at pilots flying them as substandard and beneath you. Welcome to the RJ game RJ guys. |
The 717 is much more of an rj than the 190 if you look at performance and consider they're within 10 seats of each other.
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Originally Posted by Czech Airman
(Post 2029826)
The real question is how will the military candidates that have Delta as their career goal carrier react when they realize that by going with Delta they will have to start out in an RJ, vs. going with UAL or AA and starting out in a Boeing or Airbus.
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The E190 is a neat jet, probably better than the super duper dc9 we already fly. Here's to hoping it works out.
Btw if you're a complete ignorant fool and clueless as to the last 12-24 months of union life here and our scope clause language, then don't post here. Because you add nothing. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 2029838)
The 717 is much more of an RJ...
I am not privy to your goings on! no. But scope has been used as a negotiating point before. I am also not a "complete" ignorant fool, thanks for the personal insult. Beeteedubs...Why do you have a big angry purple P€#!$ as your avatar? |
In fact, I bet they use that shiny new C-series parked in ATL today as bait to get you guys to relax the 190 back to the regionals. It does seat less than 100 seats you know.
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Originally Posted by Kabosh
(Post 2029833)
I smell a troll....
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Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029858)
In fact, I bet they use that shiny new C-series parked in ATL today as bait to get you guys to relax the 190 back to the regionals. It does seat less than 100 seats you know.
Dude, you are so clueless. |
Better chance of E170/175 coming to main line under the current rates to round out the fleet and capture the economies of scope and scale than the E190 going to the regionals. The 20 were only the first 20. Industry analysts have said 50+ makes an efficient fleet. With common type and parts and other E190s available this mainline fleet could be 120 total airframes.
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Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029858)
In fact, I bet they use that shiny new C-series parked in ATL today as bait to get you guys to relax the 190 back to the regionals. It does seat less than 100 seats you know.
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I'm sad now that the e190 will be sent to one of the regionals. Probably Great Lakes. That's something I heard today on the bus. Just makes me sad. We never get new stuff. I don't know why Lee Moak keeps letting this happen.
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:rolleyes: New stuff? What new stuff?! E190s are 10 years old. 717s are 10 years old. MD90s are 12 years old. The tail dragger version of the 737 is new I guess but the airplane was originally certified in the 60s. The newest thing we own are the 50 seaters we are retiring. Ha! New. Ba humbug! :mad:
Ok, I kid. :D The Airbi are new but they are still paper airplanes. |
Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029853)
Your words not mine.
I am not privy to your goings on! no. But scope has been used as a negotiating point before. I am also not a "complete" ignorant fool, thanks for the personal insult. Beeteedubs...Why do you have a big angry purple P€#!$ as your avatar? |
Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029853)
Your words not mine.
I am not privy to your goings on! no. But scope has been used as a negotiating point before. I am also not a "complete" ignorant fool, thanks for the personal insult. Beeteedubs...Why do you have a big angry purple P€#!$ as your avatar? |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 2029915)
The newest thing we own are the 50 seaters we are retiring. Ha!
http://srzone.fandroppingsllc.netdna...s/Iconpimp.gif |
Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029858)
In fact, I bet they use that shiny new C-series parked in ATL today as bait to get you guys to relax the 190 back to the regionals. It does seat less than 100 seats you know.
It does? Where the heck are my 100th passengers?? |
This has been fun! And entertaining but I have to go leave a steamer...
I'm in an upcoming class and I can't wait to fly with you guys. You won't be able to miss me, I'm the guy that used to fly RJs and goofs around on guard!! See ya soon! :cool: |
Who let the troll in here???
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 2029838)
The 717 is much more of an rj than the 190 if you look at performance and consider they're within 10 seats of each other.
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Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029858)
In fact, I bet they use that shiny new C-series parked in ATL today as bait to get you guys to relax the 190 back to the regionals. It does seat less than 100 seats you know.
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Originally Posted by Czech Airman
(Post 2029826)
The real question is how will the military candidates that have Delta as their career goal carrier react when they realize that by going with Delta they will have to start out in an RJ, vs. going with UAL or AA and starting out in a Boeing or Airbus.
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Actually if they had any sense they would be asking themselves why fly for any of them vs working at a recession proof company with a viable pension plan.... fedex.
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Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029715)
That article doesn't say who is going to fly them. Just because Delta buys them doesn't mean they'll be flown by the superior hands of the double breasted hat adorned sky gods. Endeavor is a wholly owned entity that can fly them as well as some other delta minuses that could lease them to replace 2 or 3 to one for 50 seaters. That would put them back in the incapable bumbling hands of far inferior pilots who haven't been flying 90 seaters for years already. Hope we can keep that big jet from hitting other smaller aircraft on taxiways and stay on the runway at LGA. We're all in this together ladies and gents, insults are real easy to throw around. We live in glass houses. I hope Delta does put mainline pilots on them and gets great rates! That means more demand for hiring, movement, and might finally put the whipsaw regional airline management pukes out on the streets. But as for the pilots, I'd let them be my wingman any day.
Man, for the last time, if you read this thread carefully, not a single Delta pilot has said anything disparaging about regional pilots. Half of us cut our teeth at the commuters. |
Originally Posted by Czech Airman
(Post 2029826)
The real question is how will the military candidates that have Delta as their career goal carrier react when they realize that by going with Delta they will have to start out in an RJ, vs. going with UAL or AA and starting out in a Boeing or Airbus.
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I think I know what this guy looks like
Originally Posted by Captain Carrot
(Post 2029942)
This has been fun! And entertaining but I have to go leave a steamer...
I'm in an upcoming class and I can't wait to fly with you guys. You won't be able to miss me, I'm the guy that used to fly RJs and goofs around on guard!! See ya soon! :cool: https://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2...te-cowbell.gif |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 2030091)
MORE COWBELL! (he's right, we won't be able to miss him!) |
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Just wanted to pose a question to see what some of the guys who have been in the industry a while think. How will the staffing of the E-190 work? Particularly the CA's. With pay rates so low will guys volunteer for the upgrade? Will folks be forced to move?
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