If Delta gets more flying, the pilots will come.

Our next TA will improve e190 pay and a lot of new hire FOs have already been captain on these type of aircraft, minus a few seats.

I have been flying with mainly new hires and I trust everyone of them to being a captain today if it happened.

Just because my career was stagnant, I do not wish that on anyone and by the time you get to Delta you are captain qualified in my eyes.

Now lets work on that JV crap and get more wide body flying TOO!

Can't be forced to upgrade. DAL will have to hire street Captains if they can't get enough F/O's to bid it.

You give me enough seniority on the 190, and I'd fly it for a couple years. :)

Well said..and mainline Capt is mainline Capt, regardless of type. When I was lucky enough to get hired back in 99, we had two choices..sit sideways on the 727 in NYC/DFW, or head down to MCO in the right seat of the 732 on Delta Express. IIRC, after flying 6 mos and getting off probation, new hires were upgrading to the left seat..and I don't think anyone had any problems with the transition.

If they put it in SLC and fly the intermountain west to MSO, JAC, FCA, HLN, BZN like we used to fly in the 733, it will go senior among the FO's who've been waiting to upgrade out west but don't want to commute. I don't think any of us think we're too good to fly a 190..and we welcome the chance to fly more of our Delta pax on mainline jets.::D

JMHO,

CG

You were spot on chief... I actually look a lot like you.

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I'll go fly a kite if it paid enough. More Delta branded flying needs to be done by mainline. Pick either end of the spectrum, scope needs to be recaptured and this is the only financial and staffing environment that will allow that to happen. Don't waist this opportunity. Pay can be negotiated once the flying is safely back at mainline. The scope sale is over.

Another nail in the coffin for the Quebec owned C-series.

I think they'd have no trouble finding people to fly it in the left seat.

If you're flying LAX717B for $135 per hour in the right seat and can go to the left seat LAXE19A with better trips for $135, you'll probably go. And if you get in now then when the pay rates come in TA2 you'll be fine. And if we only keep 20 until that new gen E190 rolls in, you're in whereas others more senior might be locked out for a lack of openings.

And the left seat thing is a draw. For some. I mean yeah vast majority of guys don't want to be junior in any category but there are those who want it, hence 2014 hires about to hold 717A. Plus you fly with your favorite Captain and the new hires are, according to 717As I fly with, fun to fly with.

I've got friends doing anything they can to get in here for an interview, the notion that you'll have to fly this....

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for $70/hr for the first year and then upgrade to captain and get $128/hr in your second year, looks like heaven.

Hey Bombardier... bring back the Dash 8-300.

Hmm, E-190's are coming used from AirCanada via Boeing, must have got a good deal.

Damn near free.


Is what one 4th floor type said. RA I believe leveraged the no vote for a better rate. That dude would make a good airline pilot, he's so cheap.

We ought to write the price we paid for airplanes on the side of them just to troll. The $7M 777. The $5M 190s. $8M fleet of 717s. $10M MD-90s. $40M new 739. :cool:

It probably all falls apart when they paint how much the 76-seaters cost. :rolleyes:

The safety video should start with Anderson signing a deal, while the other guy across the table is crying his eyes out.

I wonder if the company actually is happy that we voted down the TA? Even their own words stated that we got the 190s due to a better economic deal.

I think Richard Anderson & Co. always have a Plan-B, Plan-C, etc. IMO, they're not "happy" we turned down the first deal, but with that metric, they were able to turn the failed TA into a better deal with Boeing.

Hey now...that's uncalled for. We all do the same job. You're not any better than the rest of us "punks".

In that case lets make them absolutely orgasmic...... and vote down the next three Ta's they come up with......

No need to say thanks......

Aren't these the same old first gen E190 DALPA tried to sell us in TA15? Glad they are coming and glad we didn't bend over to get them.

"Rahlifer" is a RAH-lifer. Read more of the thread.

Right on! Hey, I thought we were going to the P.E.B. if that last P.O.S. got turned down? :rolleyes: Instead, D-ALPA starts negotiations again with the Co. next Tuesday, Dec. 22nd. #focus-plus!!

This may be a silly question but I recall that there was some language associated with the 717's that allowed for more 76 seat jets... The arrival of the 190's doesn't allow for more large RJ's correct?

All you punks, mainline and JV, stop bashing my beloved 88!

They're gonna have to pry my 88 from my cold dead fingers!

No way am I going back to the 737!

$200 an hour in the left seat of a 190/195 and I'll bid #1/LCA!

Don't call me easy!

Congrats guys! High-fives all around! And to think you would have had to fly them for much more money...

And allow more large DCI RJs on the property. Not a good trade.

For a handful of planes pay rates.... that weren't even on property..you are waxing sarcastic about rejecting a Ta that gave away the store?

Moron.

Because the pilots had line-item veto authority on the last TA? Don't pat yourself too hard.


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I agree. Too bad they put so many concessions in that TA we had to vote no. Remember that TA? The one where they threatened us to vote yes or no 190's and 739s.

They sure showed us.

Correct! The TA would have allowed for more large RJs with the introduction of the 190s, but they are capped at the limit associated with the 717 since that did not pass.

I'll place my bet that the 190s are never flown at the current rates.

Focused plus!

The 88 is probably the best airplane in the fleet for a lot of reasons. Especially in atlanta

Should the pilots have voted in higher pay rates? Like is that a good idea? I bet the pilot group didn't know higher pay is a good thing. Darn pilots, evaluating the whole TA these days...

Could we have E-175's in the same fleet as the 190's? If so, I see the DCI E-175's being transitioned to mainline over the next 5 years.

Yes please.

So by voting "NO", we held the line on large RJs AND the company bought the 190s. Sounds like it worked out well.

Best airplane Boeing ever built!
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Best airplane Boeing never built........

Moakism became undeniably irrelevant on December 16, 2015.

You know, good negotiators get back pay for drawn out negotiations.

I would also bet that those are temporary jets for the E195X. Make sure the E19-whatever pays no less than MD88 rates.

It's pretty insulting slamming the RJ/commuter pilots.

I'm a Delta pilot. I came from the regionals/commuters.

The regionals call DAL pilots "Double Breasted Douche Bags." The earlier posts calling pilots "regional pukes" is exactly why.

Regional pukes will fly circles around a military pilot on day one of line ops. BUT, take that regional guy, and throw him into a military mission, and they'll suck too.

It would do Delta pilots well to stop acting like they are better than one kind of pilot or the other. We are either good pilots or bad pilots... No matter what the background.

It's a lot easier to treat people nicely than to be a DB.