Delta to get EMB-190's
 

Shut the front door!

Embraer 190s, More Boeing 737-900ERs Coming to Delta -- ATLANTA, Dec. 16, 2015 /PRNewswire/ --

ATLANTA, Dec. 16, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) will add up to 20 Embraer 190 and 20 new Boeing 737-900ER jets acquired through a new agreement with The Boeing Co.

The agreement is part of the airline's continued strategy to improve its efficiency by adding additional 737-900ERs and upgauging its mainline fleet with the nearly 100-seat, twin-engine E190 jets while reducing the use of small regional aircraft.

The order announced today offered Delta more compelling economics over a previously cancelled order that also included Boeing-held E190s.

"Delta continues to look for opportunities to deploy larger aircraft, which bring customer experience enhancements and improved economics, across its fleet," said Greg May, Delta's Senior Vice President – Supply Chain Management. "This aircraft order is another example of Delta's unique fleet strategy to deploy a mix of new and used aircraft, maintain low capital costs, and leverage significant capacity flexibility to produce superior returns for our shareholders."

Expected to begin flying in early 2017, Embraer's unique cabin design in the E190 includes two-by-two seating throughout the Main Cabin, one-by-two in First Class, and large overhead bins and oversized windows.

The additional Boeing 737-900ERs will bring the total in Delta's fleet to 120 by 2019. The aircraft features large overhead bins and audio/video seatback entertainment with 20 seats in First Class, 21 seats in Delta Comfort+ and 139 seats in the Main Cabin.

Delta Air Lines serves more than 170 million customers each year. Delta was named to FORTUNE magazine's top 50 World's Most Admired Companies in addition to being named the most admired airline for the fourth time in five years. Additionally, Delta has ranked No.1 in the Business Travel News Annual Airline survey for four consecutive years, a first for any airline. With an industry-leading global network, Delta and the Delta Connection carriers offer service to 327 destinations in 57 countries on six continents. Headquartered in Atlanta, Delta employs nearly 80,000 employees worldwide and operates a mainline fleet of more than 800 aircraft. The airline is a founding member of the SkyTeam global alliance and participates in the industry's leading trans-Atlantic joint venture with Air France-KLM and Alitalia as well as a joint venture with Virgin Atlantic. Including its worldwide alliance partners, Delta offers customers more than 15,000 daily flights, with key hubs and markets including Amsterdam, Atlanta, Boston, Detroit, Los Angeles, Minneapolis/St. Paul, New York-JFK and LaGuardia, Paris-Charles de Gaulle, Salt Lake City, Seattle and Tokyo-Narita. Delta has invested billions of dollars in airport facilities, global products and services, and technology to enhance the customer experience in the air and on the ground. Additional information is available on the Delta News Hub, as well as delta.com, Twitter @DeltaNewsHub, Google.com/+Delta, Facebook.com/delta and Delta's blog takingoff.delta.com.

Thought if we turned down the TA we wouldn't get them:eek::rolleyes:;)

That can't be.

Those went away due to voting down the ta.

Good for us (soon to be). I love the E190. I imagine they'll put them in Atl????

Excellent news! Congrats to DL ALPA!

Just remember:

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But but but you voted no....

Congrats guys. Let this be a lesson to the rest of the industry.

Yup. It was a foregone conclusion that we'd be getting aircraft we need to operate the schedule. We don't buy aircraft. Congratulations on not writing the check for these.

Any idea where they'll be based?

This proves pilots don't buy airframes. Glad we didn't fall for that carrot.

We may not have 'fallen' for it, but jokes on us(at least those that fly it), bc the rates are terrible.

Where are the 9E bases?

Rumor has always been on the west coast replacing the 717 that would then be sent east most likely nyc.

Which then I guess they'd move the 88's out of nyc?

They absolutely were looking at putting the training department for the 190 in lax. But that was not set in stone.

But the staffing requirements weren't cut across the system to staff it. So that's a win. The rates are terrible though but we know they're willing to pay more.

But at least they're going to be flown by DELTA pilots and not a bunch of regional punks. That in itself is a huge move in the right direction.

No they won't be flown by regional punks, so that's good. :rolleyes:

It'll instead just be a bunch of Delta d!ckheads. :D

Spoken like a typical Delta pilot! 😒

Honest question - why are the c2012 pay rates for the E190 equal to the CRJ9? The E195 then has a significant paybump above the E190. This makes no sense - the CRJ9 is equivalent to an E175. Is there a lack of small airplane size recognition in the DALPA ranks?

Hope to see this resolved in C2016.

Small aircraft single class passenger counts:
CRJ7/ERJ170/MRJ70 = 70-80
CRJ9/ERJ175/MRJ90 = 88-90
ERJ190 =110
ERJ195/CS100/B717 = 120

I understand that we don't fly these in single class configuration - the numbers are just here for apples to apples comparison to illustrate the size and capacity differences between these aircraft.

Where's Bucking Bar? He's one of the primary guilty ones yelling that United would jump right on the 190s if we didn't vote yes.

It had to be difficult for Richard Anderson to eat his words.

I'm glad he did it though. It shows he is pragmatic and focused on economics. Not motivated by emotion or spite.

We've had some CEOs in the past who would never have done this.

Not just Bucking Bar.
That argument was pushed hard by our former Strategic Planning Committee.

We still have a one year new hire training freeze.

IOW, the training/staffing will be a major issue, if they don't bump up the pay.

Not our problem.

Wind the clock and let them fix it.

BTW, since we helped the company get a better deal, do we get any extra bonus?

Exactly right! Hopefully lessons were learned on both sides on how not to sell a TA. Really glad to see him able to move on.

What's the lesson here folks? Don't settle!

Up until you guys voted down the TA management had you by the balls. Now, not so much. Are you guys really going to do what it takes to get a contract that reflects the financial well-being of Delta or will it all fall apart down the stretch?

Congrats, glad to hear of the continuing growth at mainline.

As a former "regional punk" turned "Delta ********" back in 1991 I had to laugh as this reminded me of my second to last day at ASA.

An ASA captain, who was not exactly widely admired by the pilot group, upon hearing of my impending career move commented " You know you'll be flying with a lot of ********* captains over there don't you?

I figured this was one bridge worth burning so I responded " In that case I'm glad I flew with you as now I'll be prepared" .

Well worth it!

I thought I read somewhere that they were going to be based in SEA to feed the Asian gateway as well as the west coast.:D

I thought RAHlifer means he's spending the rest of his life at RAH. Is he a Delta pilot?

I believe it's a that too. There are supposedly more E190s to come. But there were some 717 guys that were supposed to ramp that program up and that's what they had mentioned in addition to hearing it from all of those well placed 4th floor types.

You'd have a 100 seater-ish and a 110 seater on the west coast. Given the way the west coast is run that's one too many airplanes on the west coast. Which is one of the issues with the pay being below the 717. If you're LAX717 and they yank it out and put the E190 in it's place to do the same flying, kind of stinks. They need to be equal.

Don't worry he is probably still here (ASA) making lives misserable.

Ummmm, I'm not a Delta pilot nor have I ever claimed to be a Delta pilot. I am a regional lifer that has been around long enough to witness the incredible devastation caused by the RJ love affair. Things are finally returning to how they should be. Planes should be flown by the respective pilots of that carrier and not the bottom feeder lowest bidder. I'm not going to engage in any internet battles on this thread.

You confused us all. Had you been a Delta pilot calling regional pilots punks I'd thrown something at you. :o:p

As long as we get them on the property for mainline, I'm good..NB scope was my big reason for voting yes.

We can work out the rates in TA16..you guys were right to vote no..hopefully Malone and the new MEC can find a "path to yes" for the next TA.

Respectfully, CG

Awesome news!!!




Now here is the LOD answer to every question.


12 o'clock position means Automatic Operation per system logic.

Delta has about 300 to 400 pilots that have 5000+ hours in the 170/190 family. It should be a breeze for us bucks to get reacquainted

It will be interesting to hear the reason mgmt gives for why they couldn't be ordered last July and the reason they can be ordered now.

You don't need a reason, just smile and say "thank you." ;)

Thank you? Aircraft orders are not gifts to the pilots. That's not why they are ordered.

So, these are the old E-190s Boeing still has?

20 is how many US/AA has...

However, apparently these are the original ones being dangled.

I never fell for this or any other carrot. But this is a yuge lesson. Please make sure all your yes voter friends know.

They had no choice but to bring the 190 to Delta. The regionals cant even staff now, and are canceling flights. That will only get worse over time. The beginning of the end for regional carriers.

These will be Ex-Air Canada E190s