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BobZ 12-23-2015 04:19 AM

If the last decade plus has taught nothing else it should be crystal clear when the money train ends.... so does any 'good' contract.

notEnuf 12-23-2015 09:48 AM

More insider selling, for what it's worth. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...meynard_f4.xml

BobZ 12-23-2015 09:56 AM

Christmas shopping I guess....

I'm going to put it down to a fear the stock is going to take a hit when record breaking 4Q numbers come in and WS realizes mgmt. is going to be faced with cutting an astronomical Ps check........

To those who "have nothing to do with producing profit"..

notEnuf 12-23-2015 10:27 AM

I'll take stock, capital gains 20% tax vs. ordinary income @ 35%.

BobZ 12-23-2015 10:42 AM

Maybe better to take options w/strike price at BK exit threshold.

No taxes in that case..... at least for now.

nohat 12-23-2015 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2033278)
More insider selling, for what it's worth. SEC FORM 4

so is he selling because they will pay the pilots or screw the pilots?:confused:

blowtheboots 12-29-2015 07:25 AM

Delta to buy 190's
 
Is there already a thread on this?

MikeF16 12-29-2015 07:35 AM

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...-emb-190s.html

forgot to bid 12-29-2015 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by blowtheboots (Post 2036306)
Is there already a thread on this?

I guess not here. There is as Mike posted a more... insider focused... conversation on the Delta TA.

As to everyone else who doesn't want to wade through all of that then your thread now has a place.

So, let's post pictures. This is what it looks like.... but longer.

http://www.thirtythousand.us/wp-cont.../06/N609CZ.jpg

This is what it looks like now before SWA pays to paint it.

http://image.jdol.com.cn/gongqiu/img...2224541093.jpg

Timbo 12-29-2015 09:27 AM

"This is what it looks like.... but longer."

That's exactly what I told my wife when we were dating!

FightingSioux 12-29-2015 09:38 AM

she was talking about her ex, i assume.

Will 12-29-2015 03:36 PM

Lot's of people are saying this will go Jr. band it with the 717 rates and I would fly this over a mad dog. Also put it somewhere other than NY or Atlanta.

forgot to bid 12-29-2015 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 2036568)
Lot's of people are saying this will go Jr. band it with the 717 rates and I would fly this over a mad dog. Also put it somewhere other than NY or Atlanta.

West coast. Doubt it ever gets banned but it should be since it will outperform the 717.

Justdoinmyjob 12-29-2015 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2036623)
West coast. Doubt it ever gets banned but it should be since it will outperform the 717.

The rates in the "re-engagement opener" has the 190 rates same as the 717 rates.

flyallnite 12-30-2015 07:57 AM

I guess the plan was to base them in SEA. Will these replace the 717's out west on the 'shuttle' routes? Now that we have a new Crew Resources guru who just opened the LAX 777 base, I wonder if they'll consider other options, like SLC? More gate space there, plus a hangar and a sim building...

amcnd 12-30-2015 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 2036939)
I guess the plan was to base them in SEA. Will these replace the 717's out west on the 'shuttle' routes? Now that we have a new Crew Resources guru who just opened the LAX 777 base, I wonder if they'll consider other options, like SLC? More gate space there, plus a hangar and a sim building...

Gate space?? In SLC?? Nope. Airport construction about to start big time.. (Less gates next 6+ years) Hanger, yes... sim building is all SkyWest, one open bay thats slated for a SKY E175 sim....

tim123 12-30-2015 10:29 AM

Any ideas on why Delta used the phase " up to 20" E-190's?

notEnuf 12-30-2015 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2036623)
West coast. Doubt it ever gets banned but it should be since it will outperform the 717.

Should pay more than the 717 based on range. The MD88 vs. A320.

RockyBoy 12-30-2015 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2037029)
Gate space?? In SLC?? Nope. Airport construction about to start big time.. (Less gates next 6+ years) Hanger, yes... sim building is all SkyWest, one open bay thats slated for a SKY E175 sim....

Actually our crew planning guys say they can add an entire extra bank of flying into SLC very easily even with the new terminal construction. They have looked at this a number of times to deal with gate restraint issues in LAX and SEA. I doubt the 190 will be based in SLC, but it is the only place we have access to gates in the short term out west right now.

forgot to bid 12-30-2015 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 2036796)
The rates in the "re-engagement opener" has the 190 rates same as the 717 rates.

I'm being pessimistic.

It needs to pay the same

forgot to bid 01-02-2016 08:10 AM

BTW, I'm doing so many 88 runs on the 717 now. which seats 110. Not 149 or 160.

The E190 will seat, what? 98? Not much smaller than the 717.

So if the 717 can replace the 88, so can the E190 right? Hopefully the NC recognizes it.

nohat 01-02-2016 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2038631)
BTW, I'm doing so many 88 runs on the 717 now. which seats 110. Not 149 or 160.

The E190 will seat, what? 98? Not much smaller than the 717.

So if the 717 can replace the 88, so can the E190 right? Hopefully the NC recognizes it.

I agree and think as 88 are retired they can easily be replaced with E190.

RA loves small airplanes which brings the yields up, but not the best to compete with other airlines if they have larger aircraft.

Until they place and order to replace 88 with a320/737 this E190 thing is scary if the rates do not at least match the 717.

I also hope the NC see the potential future problems too!

Purple Drank 01-02-2016 12:22 PM

When RA says he is "upgaging" DCI, what he really means is "downgaging" mainline.

forgot to bid 01-02-2016 12:23 PM

The other interesting part about was reading that article on the lawsuit between delta and the 88 cockpit upgrade folks and how they felt delta had changed their mind about the 88's future and were trying to just get out of the contract.

If sailing were here he'd set the record straight.

notEnuf 01-02-2016 01:11 PM

The smaller the gauge, the easier it is to fine tune seat count in a market. The same thing was said about the 35-50 seat RJs 15 years ago. "Frequency is what the business traveler wants" was heard routinely. Any mainline aircraft should pay what the 717 does at a minimum, period.

DAL73n 01-09-2016 04:07 PM

Still don't know what you are talking about..
 

Originally Posted by Captain Carrot (Post 2029815)
I'm sure it's absolute and unwaiverable. But, if management wants you to relax it you will. I don't think people will pace back and forth to fly RJs. If you don't relax it there is no way they're gonna budge on the rates.
Funny part of it is your pilot group getting all hot and bothered to fly these airplanes when not to long ago you scoffed at pilots flying them as substandard and beneath you.
Welcome to the RJ game RJ guys.

Boy, since you don't know what you are talking about you are now 2 for 2. One of the major reasons the first TA got rejected was because of the scope relaxation exactly like what would be needed for Delta to fly these as part of the regional carriers. Right now, under our current contract the number of 76 A/C is capped (and no more room for more) and 98 seaters can't be flown anywhere other than mainline.

forgot to bid 01-10-2016 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by DAL73n (Post 2043732)
Boy, since you don't know what you are talking about you are now 2 for 2. One of the major reasons the first TA got rejected was because of the scope relaxation exactly like what would be needed for Delta to fly these as part of the regional carriers. Right now, under our current contract the number of 76 A/C is capped (and no more room for more) and 98 seaters can't be flown anywhere other than mainline.

Meh. He just wanted the E190s at the regionals. Butt hurt.

capncrunch 01-10-2016 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2044026)
Meh. He just wanted the E190s at the regionals. Butt hurt.

I'm guessing he didn't pass the interview....if he was offered one at all.

ImissXJ 01-12-2016 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by tim123 (Post 2037041)
Any ideas on why Delta used the phase " up to 20" E-190's?

Just noticed in the Jan 11th All Pilot Memo, he says:

Hiring, upgrading and training pilots to support the network – including the delivery of 60 additional mainline aircraft in 2016 (4 A330-300s; 15 A321s; 19 737-900ERs; 3 717s; 19 E190s)

Soooo not 20...

FL370esq 01-12-2016 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by ImissXJ (Post 2045322)
Just noticed in the Jan 11th All Pilot Memo, he says:

Hiring, upgrading and training pilots to support the network – including the delivery of 60 additional mainline aircraft in 2016 (4 A330-300s; 15 A321s; 19 737-900ERs; 3 717s; 19 E190s)

Soooo not 20...

Well, the press release that started this thread did say "up to 20" and 19 is technically "up to 20." 😆

notEnuf 01-12-2016 06:33 AM

Show of hands.

Who thinks it will stop at 19...or 20. Does 20 EMB 190s as a stand alone fleet make sense?

They are common type with E170, E175, E195, and all the new E2 models of the same aircraft.

Gunfighter 01-12-2016 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2045350)
Show of hands.

Who thinks it will stop at 19...or 20. Does 20 EMB 190s as a stand alone fleet make sense?

They are common type with E170, E175, E195, and all the new E2 models of the same aircraft.

20 aircraft would make it our third smallest fleet and probably doesn't make sense, but we have other small fleets.

747 - Shrinking every fall
777 - 18 (for now) with two FO and three CA bases
190 - 19
767-400 - 21 and stagnent with two bases

PinnacleFO 01-12-2016 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2045350)
Show of hands.

Who thinks it will stop at 19...or 20. Does 20 EMB 190s as a stand alone fleet make sense?

They are common type with E170, E175, E195, and all the new E2 models of the same aircraft.

Could be a temporary solution to have 717s md88 and 190s that could all be replaced by a big c series order of both c series models.
An order of used c series in 20 years I meant

GucciBoy 01-12-2016 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by ImissXJ (Post 2045322)
Just noticed in the Jan 11th All Pilot Memo, he says:



Hiring, upgrading and training pilots to support the network – including the delivery of 60 additional mainline aircraft in 2016 (4 A330-300s; 15 A321s; 19 737-900ERs; 3 717s; 19 E190s)



Soooo not 20...


The 20th could be coming in early 2017 perhaps?


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Army80 01-12-2016 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2045350)
Show of hands.

Who thinks it will stop at 19...or 20. Does 20 EMB 190s as a stand alone fleet make sense?

They are common type with E170, E175, E195, and all the new E2 models of the same aircraft.


My guess is Mo.

forgot to bid 01-12-2016 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 2045414)
An order of used c series in 20 years I meant

That's probably more correct than we know.

BobZ 01-12-2016 10:46 AM

Money there are used 777 airframes in the wings. Perhaps to provide another gun to the head moment of 'vote YES for this or we will shoot this puppy'....

At the other end of the fleet, i dont think mgmt has figured it out yet.

Gunfighter 01-12-2016 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2045615)
Money there are used 777 airframes in the wings. Perhaps to provide another gun to the head moment of 'vote YES for this or we will shoot this puppy'....

At the other end of the fleet, i dont think mgmt has figured it out yet.

65% of us will line up to shoot the puppy for them.

firstmob 01-12-2016 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2045615)
Money there are used 777 airframes in the wings. Perhaps to provide another gun to the head moment of 'vote YES for this or we will shoot this puppy'....

At the other end of the fleet, i dont think mgmt has figured it out yet.

Is this just another 777 rumor or do you have some definite info, thx in advance

BobZ 01-12-2016 12:34 PM

When i was on my sleepover at sandra bullocks place she got a txt about them....:)

GF......lets hope the 'get bigger bait' metric doesnt work to catch any fish.....


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