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02-01-2016 | 02:45 PM
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02-01-2016 | 02:45 PM
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I've posted this before, but...the top line is what for flight ops is the forecast PS payout and the bottom (new formula) is what the non-contract employees will see based on forecasts. Notice the difference becomes greater and greater as profits increase. That's why trading 14.5% for the "moving target" 20% trigger is a bad idea. Other employee groups got hosed but there's nothing they can do...and for the most part don't even understand the changes to PS (most think it's great and it's a huge pay raise).
All I can say is...don't make the same mistake.
All I can say is...don't make the same mistake.
02-01-2016 | 03:05 PM
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Well since my retirement depends on this, the only thing that I can guarantee at this point is what I am making per hour times the number of hours I can fly. Any of this other stuff is just chest thumping by people that obviously have a long time until they have to think about retirement. You call me clueless. I'll call you selfish.
02-01-2016 | 03:12 PM
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You can guarantee no such reality.
Your hourly pay, seat position, and monthly yield calculations may be influenced by your personal decisions and priorities....... but it isn't even remotely in your control or power to guarantee.
To state it is so....truly begs the question of your level of understanding or appreciation of the industry in which you are employed.
Btw.... the light at the end of the tunnel is getting pretty close for me..... selfish? Not at all....I'm just not into self delusion.
Your hourly pay, seat position, and monthly yield calculations may be influenced by your personal decisions and priorities....... but it isn't even remotely in your control or power to guarantee.
To state it is so....truly begs the question of your level of understanding or appreciation of the industry in which you are employed.
Btw.... the light at the end of the tunnel is getting pretty close for me..... selfish? Not at all....I'm just not into self delusion.
02-01-2016 | 03:15 PM
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You can guarantee no such reality.
Your hourly pay, seat position, and monthly yield calculations may be influenced by your personal decisions and priorities....... but it isn't even remotely in your control or power to guarantee.
To state it is so....truly begs the question of your level of understanding or appreciation of the industry in which you are employed.
Your hourly pay, seat position, and monthly yield calculations may be influenced by your personal decisions and priorities....... but it isn't even remotely in your control or power to guarantee.
To state it is so....truly begs the question of your level of understanding or appreciation of the industry in which you are employed.
02-01-2016 | 03:15 PM
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That was probably the most offensive part of the PS to Pay Rate conversion idea, to me, and most others I've spoken with about it.
As I've said many times before, the company can keep 100% of my profit sharing...just as soon as they restore my pay rates to 2004 + inflation, and pay for my Defined Benefit retirement plan.
As I've said many times before, the company can keep 100% of my profit sharing...just as soon as they restore my pay rates to 2004 + inflation, and pay for my Defined Benefit retirement plan.
02-01-2016 | 03:16 PM
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Well since my retirement depends on this, the only thing that I can guarantee at this point is what I am making per hour times the number of hours I can fly. Any of this other stuff is just chest thumping by people that obviously have a long time until they have to think about retirement. You call me clueless. I'll call you selfish.
Management has been gutting our contract because the only thing Moakies seem to understand is payrates.
So glad the majority woke up and started looking at the entire package.
02-01-2016 | 03:21 PM
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Not sure who "you guys" are but I understood the entire package and voted no along with the rest of you. However I am still trying to wrap my head around how long is an acceptable time line for reaching a deal and the simple question I asked of you sir is a brick upon which that can be built. All I want to know is what payrate is necessary to achieve pay victory. The 737 will soon be the backbone of our airline, so that is a good starting point. What is our goal here? I keep reading about restoration. I want to understand what that is. Some people say that pay rates are not so important. That's OK too. What pay would then be acceptable if the rest of the contract is not touched? Just trying to understand.
02-01-2016 | 03:29 PM
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Not sure who "you guys" are but I understood the entire package and voted no along with the rest of you. However I am still trying to wrap my head around how long is an acceptable time line for reaching a deal and the simple question I asked of you sir is a brick upon which that can be built. All I want to know is what payrate is necessary to achieve pay victory. The 737 will soon be the backbone of our airline, so that is a good starting point. What is our goal here? I keep reading about restoration. I want to understand what that is. Some people say that pay rates are not so important. That's OK too. What pay would then be acceptable if the rest of the contract is not touched? Just trying to understand.
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