JB, that's a tough one, I don't think you can put a time line on the process, but rather what is acceptable to the 65% that voted it down. Pay rates are a part of the picture but not the entire picture.
These things seem to take on a life of their own, particularly when the first missive out of the company is to pound sand, which is completely not unexpected.
Best thing to do is to not take personal, when it happens it happens and support your union; have a 6 month strike fund ready to go.

 

No, because I do not know what that means.

 

I can retire at any time because I have taken care of business outside of Delta. I would like to stay for 10 or so more years because I enjoy what I do. I do not believe for a second that Delta will be allowed to strike. There is way to much visibility at the federal government level for that, but my strike fund is my retirement so it's no biggie either way. What I have noticed that is interesting is that the younger crowd is seemingly driving the bus here on APC, and that is a little disturbing. Kind of a **** you to the more senior guys and I for one certainly do not appreciate that. Timbo is an enigma to me because he has been on top for a long time yet complains that his retirement is in the crapper. Mine is worth well over $1.5M. And I don't believe for a second that his 401k is worth what he has claimed in the past. It would be worth more had he invested in insurance contracts. But that is not important. The upshot of all of this is that there is a balance that must be reached between senior and junior. I am just trying to find that line.

So again what is 737 adjusted for inflation from C2K?

 

And thank you for the civil response Iceman. That is very rare around here.

 

Ok..got it.

What you are really after here.....are the answers to the test questions.

Unfortunately....It doesn't work that way.

 

Jim,

Are you a pilot currently flying for Delta Air Lines?

You didn't mention that. Just curious.

 

Why not? Anybody can bang away behind a keyboard. I would just like to peek at what is actually behind all the anger. I really don't know what I expected to find out by asking. I have seen enough to know.

 

Yes I am. Hired older, and retire in 12 years. Not senior either by any definition.

 

For me, I could care less about the pay rate. It's the whole package.

For example, triple the value of our vacation and I'd be good to go. An additional 225 hours would be worth approx 20%. Pay rates come and go. I don't care if our 757 pay rate is better than UAL/AMR 757 pay rate. I want the most compensation for the least amount of work. Obviously, we'd need annual COLAs.

Note: NO CONCESSIONS. I will not vote for a contract riddled with concessions as TA2015 had.

 

Do you honestly think we can achieve a contract with no concessions even if small? TA 2015 was an abortion no doubt. But management will want something. Our negotiators will be tasked with minimizing that. But zero? I personally don't see that. It doesn't make business sense. At some point we will probably achieve what we seek and if it is zero concessions, it will be when it makes economic sense for the copany to do so and by then we will be way behind again. It is just business

Edit: and I agree with you about the most copensation for the least work. I am human after all.