Ok, I'll stay on topic. What do you see as a lever? How would you use it? The union organizing effort is what I see as leverage. I will agree to disagree. This union spends a lot of money on things that I disagree with. It is what it is. Selling beneficial parts of our contract is not a lever, its a dead end.

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For what it's worth, sitting reserve 1 more day, scheduling called to pull me off short call to put me on again last day of reserve due to 717 pilot shortage. Apparently 737 is making up the shortage. Maybe bargaining power is starting to show.

I thought shortcall on your last reserve day ended at 1200.

Yeah only been here 1 yr, 2nd time on reserve so I havent mastered all the ins and outs of reserve, but seemed a little odd to me as well. I go into a line in June also. So i guess i could get anything including spill over trip up until 2100.

I am pretty sure that is only if followed by a hard no fly day.

Scoop

That is a fair question. The only real lever I see at the current time is profit sharing. All the rest of it management can bide their time until the next downturn and then cry poor, and find a sympathetic north Georgia judge that will agree with them. I don't see how they can continue to pay out the kind of money they are paying to us without rankling the institutional investors. Their problem however. How do we leverage that? I don't think it should even be on the table until after section 6 is completed. Then if they wanna talk about it, I would gladly listen. And I am not sure what you are referring to when you talk about selling beneficial parts of our contract.

I am pretty sure you are not doing this intentionally and probably do not even realize it, but your above argument is basically carrying managements water.

The company can rake us over the coals in BK and we should worry about us destroying the culture of DAL by helping other labor groups organize?

They grant themselves BK proof pensions while they terminate our pensions and it is us who will be ruining the culture?

The decision to further degrade the current culture, which is already a far cry from what it used to be, will be managements. The ball is in their court. They can earnestly negotiate or let this whole section 6 elevate into a disaster for all involved.

We will have to compromise, but that is OK. It is a negotiation and it takes two to negotiate but if management wants to drag this on for years then the blame for any further degradation in the DAL culture will fall squarely on their shoulders.


Just my 2 cents.

Scoop

I don't disagree with that at all. I just have zero interest in investing in a flight attendant union. I need to see tangible, not pie in the sky ROI on that investment and I have yet to see any other than threat, conjecture and innuendo. They can figure it out and pay for it themselves.

No worries - plenty of Pilots feel as you do. I just happen to think this issue can provide us a lot of leverage and perhaps even help speed up the process.

Scoop :)

That is absolutely correct. Only noon if you're backed up to a Golden Day.
Let this be a lesson to Vyper...Move Gold Days to end of reserve windows!
It's likely a moot point, since he will be holding a line in another month, anyway.